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Post by minusSeven »

puranjay wrote: post #296
kumarvvr wrote: post #160

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Yes. Especially in South America. However, US is not about expansionism. Its about trade and control. It wants markets, trade and resources. China is about expansionism and lacks moral or ethical compass.

> However, US is not about expansionism I love how the world paints China as an aggressive power while conveniently forgetting the completely unjustified and unwarranted invasion of Iraq by America. From a neutral POV, China has only 'invaded' some islands. America has toppled governments and literally occupied sovereign nations - all under the guise of "national security". And it all happened in the distant past of…

Apparently the entire south China sea belongs to China, even the Philippines seas.

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Post by ianleeclark »

ChrisLomont wrote: post #349
ianleeclark wrote: post #318

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> YouTube and its advertisers aren't countries, and aren't engaged in recent, deadly military skirmishes with India. It might help to read the parent posts I was replying to, but we're talking about the effects of black box algorithms.

Your initial reply was to this >India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat. which is exactly why YouTube and China are not equivalent. You're talking about abstract black box algorithms; no one else was.

> As long as the platforms recommendation and ranking algos are a black box, there is no guarantee that China isn’t conducting misinformation campaigns via the platform.

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Post by pvelagal »

foobiekr wrote: post #306
Veen wrote: post #253

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Here's one difference: the CCP is a totalitarian dictatorship that exerts direct control over Chinese corporations. Youtube, flawed as it is, is not that.

This. Why must every single posting on Hacker News that involves China be flooded with whataboutism? It's a recurring thing, not even subtle.

Because China hasn't done anything remotely qualifies them to question to any other country ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by pvelagal »

ianleeclark wrote: post #338
foobiekr wrote: post #306

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This. Why must every single posting on Hacker News that involves China be flooded with whataboutism? It's a recurring thing, not even subtle.

Whataboutism is a cowardly refusal to look inwards.

It is self-realization, not whataboutism ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

This should have been done a long time ago. Chinese services have an unrestricted access to their local user base + users of the whole world, while services from any other countries might easily be blocked in China for one reason or another, thus reducing their potential user base by several hundred million of users. Even without the sinister political reasons behind the censorship by the CCP it would be an unfair competition.

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Post by colordrops »

banachtarski wrote: post #342
colordrops wrote: post #336

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YouTube isn't controlled by an authoritarian fascist-like government - it is run by the fascist-lite corporate oligarchy which runs the US. The US may not be as bad as china in some ways but that doesn't absolve them from responsibility.

Trying to draw a parallel between Google and a country that literally tortures and murders its citizens for "unsanctioned beliefs" is disingenuous. Cut the bullshit.

Ignorance of US history of endless human rights abuses (including torture) both domestic and foreign by the US is not an excuse for being condescending and overly confident on an internet forum.

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Post by minusSeven »

bg24 wrote: post #192
x87678r wrote: post #39

India smartphone marketshare: Xiaomi 30% Vivo 17% Samsung 16% Realme 14% Oppo 12% Others 11% https://www.counterpointresearch.com/india-smartphone-share/

Curious why can't India learn the lesson that China uses to change these statistics in 3 months? Of course, if it is related to long-term national security. - Ban the companies for 3 months. Then allow selectively. - Reduce the tax from South Korea and Japan.

Because of trade deficit that is already in China's favour. I assume banning these companies means further actions on China's part that will impact India even harder.

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Post by totony »

systemvoltage wrote: post #370
riverlong wrote: post #356

I'm seeing lots of comments about national security-style concerns, and framing this in terms of the recent India-China skirmishes. That all makes sense. Where I think a lot of folks are missing the point is that this is also a tremendous boost to local Indian entrepreneurship. One of the really clever aspects of China's Great Firewall is that it keeps out international competition, which would crush local startups.…

While I agree about symmetric response to China, here is the problem: > By banning more advanced, foreign competitors, India gives its local entrepreneurs a chance to grow hugely successful domestic apps, which can then compete internationally. If India bans international apps from competing within India, wouldn't Indian apps from these new found enterpreneurs expect the same response from other countries? There is a…

Thing is chija is already restricting outside entrepreneurs. I don't think that's hypocrisy, it's a two way street

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Post by ra7 »

azinman2 wrote: post #369
ra7 wrote: post #221

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> There are shootouts on a regular basis between India and China, and they’ve intensified recently. There are no "shootouts". There are standoffs sometimes (think once a year if you want to define regularity) due to the loosely demarcated Line of Actual Control (LAC) between India and China. It's usually a melee. Even the recent escalated incident wasn't a shootout. There are agreements between Indian and Chinese gov…

20 Indian soldiers died just two weeks ago: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/asia/china-india-border-clash...

Yes, I'm aware of the news. It still wasn't due to a "shootout".

> What’s happening along the Himalayan border is an unusual kind of warfare. As in the brawls last month, Chinese and Indian soldiers fought fiercely without firing a shot — at least that’s what officials on both sides contend. They say the soldiers followed their de facto border code not to use firearms and went at each other with fists, rocks and wooden clubs, some possibly studded with nails or wrapped in barbed wire.

From https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/world/asia/indian-china-b...

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