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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by mempko »

chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

None of those banned are conservatives. There is nothing conservative about their views.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by toiletfuneral »

alentist wrote: post #88
evanlivingston wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps there is an association between strongly supporting principles of free markets and problematic ethics.

Interesting speculation. On the other hand, there is an association between strongly opposing principles of free markets and problematic ethics.

Ok, so having more empty houses than homeless people and someone dying because they're unable to afford insulin are NOT examples of problematic ethics. Got it.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

sweetheart wrote: post #164
chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

>The problem is they are not approaching the left's extremists with the same fervor This is a false equivalence. The worst of the alt-right are far, far worse than the worst of the extreme left (antifa, maybe? Though there is no alt-left). Good riddance to them, I say. If you want to lead the KKK, and advocate for a white ethnostate, I won't lose any sleep when you can't post videos trying to convince others of the s…

>The worst of the alt-right are far, far worse than the worst of the extreme left (antifa, maybe? Though there is no alt-left).

Nah, there are plenty of people advocating for explicit ethno-separatism on the far left -- just look at Louis Farrakhan and his lefty pals. They just don't have very big YouTube channels. People more-or-less naturally ignore them except when they turn out to protests to hijack an ostensibly liberal or socialist cause.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by sintaxi »

DiffEq wrote: post #55
stillbourne wrote: post #7

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

Not sure why people would down vote you - these are private companies we are talking about and they can do what they want I suppose. However I think the real rub here, that people seem to to have a hard time expressing, is that these platforms are blatantly hypocritical in what they allow or don't allow.

Probably getting down-voted because no one appears to be claiming that it is the government doing the censoring.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by vkou »

m0zg wrote: post #119
rickbutton wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? There is a massive political movement for racial equality happening all over the country. They are responding to pressure from consumers, which they very much should, because all of these companies have ignored these issues for decades. They aren't coordinating with each other in some conspiracy to silence white supremacists. The -people- want white supremacists to be deplatformed (a good thing!).

> movement for racial equality It stopped being that within a couple of days of starting and was co-opted to advance other goals. It's for "racial equality" only inasmuch as no sane person will argue _against_ racial equality. Same as "antifascism" is also _nominally_ against something that's unquestionably bad, so no sane person will disagree with the core premise. In practice, it's a militant Stalinist organization…

> It stopped being that within a couple of days of starting and was co-opted to advance other goals. It's for "racial equality" only inasmuch as no sane person will argue _against_ racial equality. Same as "antifascism" is also _nominally_ against something that's unquestionably bad, so no sane person will disagree with the core premise.

This is a wonderful theory, but the past couple of years (Centuries, in the case of racial equality) of political discourse in America has shown that it does not match reality.

There are plenty people who have no problem arguing for racism, or for fascism, and thanks to Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Reddit, those people have gained both a lot more influence and a lot of, to put it charitably, allies of convenience - or, to put it uncharitably, true believers.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by castlecrasher2 »

renewiltord wrote: post #60
chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

It's a free society. If you don't like someone else's house party, build your own. thedonald.win is one such thing.

it's only a matter of time before thedonald.win gets deplatformed by payment and internet service providers for thoughtcrime

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Post by birdyrooster »

gotoeleven wrote: post #93
RangerScience wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Civil rights isn't politics", so, speech against civil rights isn't politically incorrect. (there's also definitely PC/P!C speech, but AFAIK that's not what's getting banned).

Thats a great trick just label anything you don't want debated a "right."

To your point, rights only exist if people in society uphold them for you. There isn't anything magical about calling something a right.

Speech can be both politically incorrect and incite flamewars or violence. At some point, public health and safety is the concern beyond politics. I think we want politically incorrect speech to have a space on Twitter so that it can be publicly challenged but it should stop short of encouraging violence like we saw in Charlottesville.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by castlecrasher2 »

mempko wrote: post #211
chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

None of those banned are conservatives. There is nothing conservative about their views.

/r/lgbtconservative isn't conservative?
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