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Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by blumomo »

dathinab wrote: post #320
ianleeclark wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are YouTube algorithms open? I don't really see a difference here. Nation state vs. private corporation is different on paper, but I don't see why. They're both going to react to material stimuli to increase their standings.

Good point. But YouTube is not controlled by an authoritarian fascist-like government which has a world view in direct opposition to what you could refer handwaveingly as "western" and is currently pushing to become the dominant power in the world. If you furthermore consider how bad the "western world" (mainly Britten and the East India Company) had treated it in the past, some aspects of the Chinese culture and the…

Youtube is censoring like crazy the last months. They ARE fascists, too

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by banachtarski »

colordrops wrote: post #336
dathinab wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point. But YouTube is not controlled by an authoritarian fascist-like government which has a world view in direct opposition to what you could refer handwaveingly as "western" and is currently pushing to become the dominant power in the world. If you furthermore consider how bad the "western world" (mainly Britten and the East India Company) had treated it in the past, some aspects of the Chinese culture and the…

YouTube isn't controlled by an authoritarian fascist-like government - it is run by the fascist-lite corporate oligarchy which runs the US. The US may not be as bad as china in some ways but that doesn't absolve them from responsibility.

Trying to draw a parallel between Google and a country that literally tortures and murders its citizens for "unsanctioned beliefs" is disingenuous. Cut the bullshit.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by mathnmusic »

xster wrote: post #162
mathnmusic wrote: post #80

I think this sort of response was inevitable and will be seen in more and more nations. China bans most of the popular websites and apps (including Wikipedia). The most recent trigger was the border standoff between India and China where Indian citizens could see and read both governments' responses, but Chinese citizens were only told Chinese govt's talking points. This seems like yet another instance of the paradox…

Though if you apply your argument with rigor and reciprocity was in play, more countries should ban american social media which censors geopolitical rivals https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/12/us-pressure-social-media-...

It's bound to happen. See the political battles being fought for data localisation, and control of Internet governing bodies.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by ianleeclark »

Veen wrote: post #253
ianleeclark wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The reality is that Chinese firms and government operates together intimately No, I get this, but here's the thing: YouTube and, more specifically, it's advertisers do everything that you're accusing China of. There are material consequences if YouTube doesn't keep in line. What this means is that a status quo that pleases advertisers will be maintained. It's every bit propaganda as dropping leaflets, but you can't…

Here's one difference: the CCP is a totalitarian dictatorship that exerts direct control over Chinese corporations. Youtube, flawed as it is, is not that.

> Here's one difference: the CCP is a totalitarian dictatorship that exerts direct control over Chinese corporations.

Maybe we shouldn't have worked so hard to support building up their manufacturing base when we knew this all along.

Oh well, we just get to repeat the Dutch mistake of financing your enemy into having a robust manufacturing base until they gradually overtake global control.

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Post by vdfs »

dmix wrote: post #287
phoe-krk wrote: post #280

Clash of Kings? That online game? Why?

Clash of Kings is owned by a Chinese company called Elex-Tech aka "Beijing ELEX Technology Co". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Kings Not to be confused with the more popular "Clash of Clans" which is owned by a Finnish company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Clans

Classic Pied Piper China

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by dmix »

em500 wrote: post #333
dmix wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clash of Kings is owned by a Chinese company called Elex-Tech aka "Beijing ELEX Technology Co". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Kings Not to be confused with the more popular "Clash of Clans" which is owned by a Finnish company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Clans

That Finnish company is now owned by a Chinese company.

Ha, you're right Supercell is 81.4% owned by Tencent. It's hard to keep up these days.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by ChrisLomont »

ianleeclark wrote: post #318
reaperducer wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube and, more specifically, it's advertisers do everything that you're accusing China of YouTube and its advertisers aren't countries, and aren't engaged in recent, deadly military skirmishes with India.

> YouTube and its advertisers aren't countries, and aren't engaged in recent, deadly military skirmishes with India. It might help to read the parent posts I was replying to, but we're talking about the effects of black box algorithms.

Your initial reply was to this

>India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat.

which is exactly why YouTube and China are not equivalent. You're talking about abstract black box algorithms; no one else was.

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