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YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

Why? There is a massive political movement for racial equality happening all over the country. They are responding to pressure from consumers, which they very much should, because all of these companies have ignored these issues for decades. They aren't coordinating with each other in some conspiracy to silence white supremacists. The -people- want white supremacists to be deplatformed (a good thing!).

This is why you never give into the mob, even when their point is a good one. That's how individual rights are lost to the collective.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux

Wow that guy's an idiot. He actually claims the Iraq War was a failure because Iraqis have IQs in the 80s and are therefore incapable of accepting democracy. Racism aside, if you've done even a bit of reading on IQ you know it's been rising for decades if not longer. His Jeffersonian Democracy was built by people with an IQ that would be in the 80s today.

Can you point to some of that reading? Pedantically, that goes against the definition of IQ, where 100 is always average so it can't really increase over time, but your general point about people getting smarter doesn't intuitively make sense to me. Obviously we have more knowledge and resources to build on today, but I've never seen any reason to believe modern humans are smarter from birth than humans born 300 years ago.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Keep in mind that YT had been funneling viewers towards extreme, bizarre, fringe videos for a long time - including quite a bit of hateful content. This is something of their own doing.

I'm not sure what you are watching, but I have never been funneled to anything even remotely like that.

YT sends you videos based on your watch history. If you watch hate videos to see what kind of stuff people are saying then you should delete them from your history to avoid YT finding you more.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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It is coordinated. Remember when Alex Jones got banned from literally everything on the same day? The reddit bans wave was leaked in advance. The more actors involved in a coordinated action the harder it is to keep a secret. Original leak: https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/redd...

> Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative Has this been announced or was this just speculation?

https://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/hi3oht/updat...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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post #13

Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

How coincidental! Surely I am to think nothing of it. Hey, let's talk about COVID-19 real quick ...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

This appears to be coordinated election interference from tech monopolists.

People doing political things you don't like is not election interference, anymore than some billionaire bankrolling right-wing SuperPACs is election interference.

Elections aren't held in a vaccum. People 'interfere' with them by persuading, spending money, and by choosing to give political ideas access to their platform.

Media agencies 'interfere' with elections all the time, by exercising their discretion for the last point, and by actively agitating on the first point.

And why would de-platforming racist white nationalists interfere with the election, anyways? Is there a racist white nationalist on the ballot in 2020, who will be hurt by this?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

parler supports free speech, tho, right?

except they're banning liberals:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200627/23551144803/as-pr...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Perhaps there is an association between strongly supporting principles of free markets and problematic ethics.

There is a strong association between free market principles and the principle of non-aggression.

Others advocate that it is acceptable to use violent aggressive force against people who do not conform to your opinion of how things should be governed.

Tell me where the problematic ethics are again?

(FWIW, I don't watch any of the people mentioned above and have only heard of the first, so I am not here to defend them or what they may have said. I'm only defending the Non-aggression principle, which implies that markets are free.)

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is coordinated. Remember when Alex Jones got banned from literally everything on the same day? The reddit bans wave was leaked in advance. The more actors involved in a coordinated action the harder it is to keep a secret. Original leak: https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/redd...

> Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative Has this been announced or was this just speculation?

It actually happened today. Check Reddit‘s /r/announcements for the official thread.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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He's always been pretty awful and white-supremacist-adjacent.

This "adjacent" concept has no meaning. Paraphrasing a point I made on Twitter recently: - Richard Spencer: evil. Created 'alt right' movement. - Ben Shapiro: called 'alt right' because he's right wing - Joe Rogan: called 'alt right' because he talked to Ben - Bernie Sanders supporters: called 'alt right' because Joe endorsed Bernie. Ergo: by this logic Karl Marx could be considered 'alt right' Molyneaux might be awf…

He didn't "talk" to Ben, he broadcast Ben's ideas to millions of listeners (the majority of which happen to be white).
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