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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

stillbourne wrote: post #7

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

It's not about the legalities. It's about whether we have the kind of society that fights bad ideas by showing why they're wrong, or fights bad ideas by screaming and blocking them. These bans seem very much like part of a trend towards the second kind of society.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by burkaman »

fvdessen wrote: post #3

I haven't watched Stefan in a long time, is he now producing content in the same register as David Duke & Richard Spencer ? It did not seem to be the case a few years ago.

If I had to rank them, I would agree that David Duke and Richard Spencer are a little more blatantly racist than Stefan Molyneux, but why does that matter? If they're all violating the hate speech policy, then they should all be banned, even if David Duke is violating it more.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by ur-whale »

evanlivingston wrote: post #14
Edd314159 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Perhaps there is an association between strongly supporting principles of free markets and problematic ethics.

Aka, I'll hitch my political wagon to any passing train as long as it gets me there.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by DiffEq »

stillbourne wrote: post #7

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

Not sure why people would down vote you - these are private companies we are talking about and they can do what they want I suppose. However I think the real rub here, that people seem to to have a hard time expressing, is that these platforms are blatantly hypocritical in what they allow or don't allow.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by gotoeleven »

Edd314159 wrote: post #5
fvdessen wrote: post #3

I haven't watched Stefan in a long time, is he now producing content in the same register as David Duke & Richard Spencer ? It did not seem to be the case a few years ago.

I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Why is everyone making surprised pickachu face about white nationalism as our culture encourages black nationalism and every other kind of racial tribalism? The problem isn't the color, the problem is the nationalism.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by rickbutton »

chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

A purge of white supremacists sounds great to me.

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Post by stillbourne »

syshum wrote: post #31
stillbourne wrote: post #7

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

>>The only thing that the first amendment provides you with is freedom from prosecution by the government for statements you make I agreed with you until this point. You seem to make the common miskate many "but it is private company" people make. Free Speech is not limited to the 1st amendment. The concept of Free Expression exist outside of the US Constitution If society does not have respect for Free Expression (a…

>>>The only thing that the first amendment provides you with is freedom from prosecution by the government for statements you make

>I agreed with you until this point. You seem to make the common miskate many "but it is private company" people make.

Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988).

Would disagree with your statement https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-a...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by renewiltord »

chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

It's a free society. If you don't like someone else's house party, build your own. thedonald.win is one such thing.
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