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YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

>>The only thing that the first amendment provides you with is freedom from prosecution by the government for statements you make

I agreed with you until this point. You seem to make the common miskate many "but it is private company" people make.

Free Speech is not limited to the 1st amendment. The concept of Free Expression exist outside of the US Constitution

If society does not have respect for Free Expression (and clearly we no longer do) then the constitution can not protect that. The law, and the constitution is simply a reflection of society, at some point if society demands it the 1st amendment will be modified or abolished

This is why intrusions on the concept in wider society also should be opposed not simply only opposing legal intrusions on speech

For YT and other "platforms" the issue is the fact they market themselves as open to everyone, open to all speech, open to all ideas. Even if in 6pt font in legalese they give them selves the authority to suppress any speech they dislike

This IMO is a Deceptive Business practice, if nothing else. YT should have Clearly define, very objected rules around content that are CLEARLY displayed that every reasonable person should be able to understand, and when content is banned they should point to the exact rule that was violated in the suppression notification

Finally one can disagree with YT censorship with out demanding the law come in to stop them. I am generally not in favor of government intervention in YT, I am in favor of Sec 230 Reform (or rather abolishment) and I am in favor of people speaking out agaist YT Censorship. but I would not want some kind content regulation by the government

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

#32

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

> The only case where a platform must provide services outside of the strictest sense of an intended audience is in through US Code Titles that may be applicable by law such ADA accessibilities (these codes are of course regional and may not apply outside the region in which that service is provided). So we're going to start see ADA accommodations for white supremacists claiming they're mentally handicapped and there…

While I'm willing to engage in debate I don't see reductio ad absurdum as a valid argument.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

#33

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

Thoughts and prayers

/s

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

#34

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

I have an easy answer to that: Youtube has more users than there are people in US. If you had a service that was used by whole of US, shouldn't that be public?

Imagine there was a single food stall in the entire US. Should you allow food stall which is really controlled by a few share holders and executives at the top to decide whom to feed or not?

Again, the problem is not huge platforms banning toxic people. It's that only a minority has a final say on who gets censored. That's not me, that's not you and many of the hners here.

Edit: I am not saying this in defense of people in the post. I think they are terrible people. I think we can't help some of them but we should help whoever we can by offering rehabilitation and therapy. Many of the viewers of those channels and conspiracy theories need help. Censoring them without lending help to them in any way to improve them always backfires.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all but Molyneux disagrees with so many left-of-center ideas that the effort needed to effectively detail how Molyneux is different is great, so he gets lumped in with them.

"The primary purpose of feminism is to lower white birthrates." - https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/118100374698304307... "If we had been allowed to talk about race and IQ, the invasion of Iraq would never have occurred, because no one would have been under the illusion that a Jeffersonian Republic was going to emerge from a population with an IQ in the 80s. Opposing science got >500k people killed." - https:…

Ugh. Those are awful.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

The way different actions spread are like watching the Snowcrash virus in real time. Endlessly entertaining.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all but Molyneux disagrees with so many left-of-center ideas that the effort needed to effectively detail how Molyneux is different is great, so he gets lumped in with them.

"The primary purpose of feminism is to lower white birthrates." - https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/118100374698304307... "If we had been allowed to talk about race and IQ, the invasion of Iraq would never have occurred, because no one would have been under the illusion that a Jeffersonian Republic was going to emerge from a population with an IQ in the 80s. Opposing science got >500k people killed." - https:…

Your argument is incomplete. I don't dispute that he said those things but what do you claim is the similarity to Spencer or Duke?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

google legal frequently shares information with legal departments from other tech companies when it comes to moderating/acting upon content/users. in fact, the big tech companies' legal teams share information pretty regularly as they all deal with the same legal hurdles e.g. users from north korea, cuba, ITAR, etc.

it wouldn't surprise me if there was an informal discussion and a decision by google led others to also take action.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

#40

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

Not sure why you're getting down voted. HN users once again mistaking disagreement for "comment doesn't provide quality debate"
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