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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by travmatt »

himlion wrote: post #548
Miner49er wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was most definitely ironic, for the most part. Any irony on the internet attracts those that believe it un-ironically, however.

Way back when r/the_donald just started when his campaign began, many people including me thought it was an ironic subreddit and treated it as such. Then suddenly Trump gained momentum and the subreddit turned out to be for real.

Irony has always been a tool of the far right, from the nazis to the Christchurch shooter. How 4chan and t_d use it is not especially different.

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Post by hollandheese »

cryptoz wrote: post #358
root_axis wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They were just politically unviable. We all know reddit leans a bit left, but the ban also included /r/chapotraphouse which is a leftist subreddit that was also notorious for rule breaking. Frankly, it seems reddit went out of its way to accommodate the_donald for a while now.

> We all know reddit leans a bit left Do we? I think reddit 'leans a bit right' if anything. Especially in the city-level subreddits or country-level, or communities like that, there is (in my experience) a heavy-handed right-leaning attitude. I noticed this about 10 years ago and it has gotten much much more pronounced. The subreddit r/canada turned extreme-far-right about 10 years ago. Most of the cities I live in…

If it was left-wing in any actual way r/chapotraphouse wouldn't have been quarantined let alone banned.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by ngold »

dmoy wrote: post #571
duxup wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would something decentralized help? I don't think people want that. The_Donald involved a lot of spreading their message / fake news sites / spamming across other subs and etc. Do people want to be on a platform where other folks on the same platform are targeting their community with dishonest and often bigoted content? I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. The sheer volume of users at its height…

> The_Donald involved a lot of spreading their message / fake news sites / spamming across other subs and etc. Yea, I gotta say, having to previously deal with r/The_Donald brigades on another large subreddit was incredibly annoying and depressing. Can't speak to spreading fake news, but massive influxes of r/The_Donald users spamming truly vile stuff in an ostensibly non-political sub really sucked (as a moderator,…

Gotta respect the iron fist of /r/askhistorians. Probably the best sub on reddit.

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Post by blisseyGo »

haunter wrote: post #574
blisseyGo wrote: post #525

From Reddit: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/acc... > Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families. > While the rule on ha…

It means /r/sino won't be banned which is a CPC propaganda sub

Even the CHAZ sub is still up which is literally doing illegal stuff with 5 shootings and 3 dead within 2 weeks. Also all the porn, rape, incest subs are allowed.

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Post by intopieces »

nullc wrote: post #20

I'm confused by the article. My understanding was that reddit replaced the moderators of /r/The_Donald months ago after initially making in quarantined. The Wikipedia article seems to agree with my understanding: > In February 26, 2020, Reddit administrators removed a number of r/The_Donald moderators "that were approving, stickying, and generally supporting content in this subreddit that breaks [Reddit's] content po…

> What's wrong with just saying that it's their platform and they have the right to set the rules?

That would be a major shift in strategy for the site. It has always been billed a freewheeling place that belonged to the users, with the company that owns it being something of a benevolent overlord that keeps the lights on. That is what attracts users and content. But of course that version of the web is dead. Any website that relies on advertisers for revenue will necessarily be limited in its tolerance for controversy.

In the end, though, I doubt it matters too much for the site’s revenue. Reddit has been dying for years according to many of the posters and yet it sees growth YoY.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by tomjen3 »

basch wrote: post #591
jl2718 wrote: post #173

There’s no winning this game. Soon they will be considered liable for anything they didn’t censor, especially from the extreme left, as they are making the appearance of support. I hope they’re paying Michael a massive amount of money to associate himself with this dumpster fire.

Section 230 protects you from liability when you choose to censor.

Legal liability. It does nothing to prevent them from being attacked in the press, for having their payment systems cut, or from being personally vilified.

And who knows how soon the laws will change?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by rgrs »

duxup wrote: post #86
ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

Would something decentralized help? I don't think people want that. The_Donald involved a lot of spreading their message / fake news sites / spamming across other subs and etc. Do people want to be on a platform where other folks on the same platform are targeting their community with dishonest and often bigoted content? I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. The sheer volume of users at its height…

Fake news for us, but not to those who were part of it. It wasn't fake news at all. They are going to group again somewhere else.

The member might see this as action to silence. This could make them even more angry and isolated. Reddit meanwhile will be a unreliable source of information to them.

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Post by nkohari »

himlion wrote: post #548
Miner49er wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was most definitely ironic, for the most part. Any irony on the internet attracts those that believe it un-ironically, however.

Way back when r/the_donald just started when his campaign began, many people including me thought it was an ironic subreddit and treated it as such. Then suddenly Trump gained momentum and the subreddit turned out to be for real.

I'm still convinced that it was a joke in the beginning, and then the subreddit saw an influx of people who didn't get the joke.

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Post by afiori »

phjesusthatguy3 wrote: post #589

Whatever else you want to want to say about our current president, "The People" did not vote him in. The fact that he's President really is going back to the founding fathers' intention, and why we have an Electoral College in the first place: So that underrepresented voters would have a say in who the President was. And they did, so he is. And now he's pretending that he's the voice of our country, when he so clearl…

But there is not "one true way" to coordinate a democratic election. Especially when considering the differences between presidential republics and parliamentary republics.

Or even concepts like "one person one vote" force systems to converge towards a few stable establishment parties.

It would still be democratic if voter could grade candidates and the winners were chosen by some appropriate statistical measure, or if voters could select arbitrary subsets of okeyish candidates and the winners were those with most votes, or any combination of many other systems.

The real objective of most democratic electoral systems is governability and meaningful representation. Pretending that popular vote is the only meaningful way to elect representatives is naive.

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Post by usefulcat »

alexandercrohde wrote: post #439
usefulcat wrote: post #402

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> I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. The sheer volume of users at its height seemed to involve a huge amount of brand new accounts you never saw again / never posted again (except when they show up as a group again), and etc. Or those without brand new accounts show up and post strange dishonest lead in type posts that sort of try to lead folks down a bigoted path ... that you can blatantly see…

As soon as those metrics are exposed though, people will start hacking them by purchasing older accounts, etc.

..which seems like it would make it more expensive to achieve the same level of credibility via such 'fake' accounts. Seems like an improvement to me.
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