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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by treeman79 »

nullc wrote: post #28
ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

Not just hate you, but stalk, threaten and harass you. There are some people where even just saying-- as a moderator-- "Hey, can you chill out and at lease pretend to treat other posters with some respect" will trigger a full on war against you. There aren't many people like this, but it only takes a few because even a single obsessed person can spew a lot of hate.

Many people are very scared to publicly support him.

Tolerance and respect does not extend to Christians or conservatives.

Was joking that a new method of insurance fraud is to simply put a Trump bumper sticker on your car and wait for someone to torch it.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by usefulcat »

duxup wrote: post #86
ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

Would something decentralized help? I don't think people want that. The_Donald involved a lot of spreading their message / fake news sites / spamming across other subs and etc. Do people want to be on a platform where other folks on the same platform are targeting their community with dishonest and often bigoted content? I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. The sheer volume of users at its height…

> I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. The sheer volume of users at its height seemed to involve a huge amount of brand new accounts you never saw again / never posted again (except when they show up as a group again), and etc. Or those without brand new accounts show up and post strange dishonest lead in type posts that sort of try to lead folks down a bigoted path ... that you can blatantly see in their post history.

This is very much a side note, but I do wonder what sorts of things would be enabled with more visibility into this kind of information. For example, average and median ages of all accounts in a thread or subthread. Per-user visualizations of posting histories (time of day, subreddit, etc). Information that would enable automated correlation (by time or subject) of posts from different accounts. Stuff like that. I'm sure they must have something internally that does at least some of the above.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by [deleted] »

TheGrim-888 wrote: post #224
anonu wrote: post #203

The internet remains a bastion of free speech. Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, remain privately managed companies with a duty to police their platforms. If /r/The_Donald contributors are upset - they can go almost anywhere else. Vitriol, hate, disinformation, etc... just doesn't need to be on public display.

The problem is that what hate is, is in the eye of the beholder. People can say Trump wanting to enforce rule of law is hate, I don't think so. People can say Trump wanting to enforce our borders is hate, and I don't think so. You have politically motivated people who think that anything that disagrees with their political viewpoints is hate, and justification to be memoryholed from the internet. I don't agree.

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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by belltaco »

ww520 wrote: post #328
belltaco wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, those mods weren't put in place by Reddit, they were hired a while ago by the top mods, some of who got banned thus making those the top mods. Reddit admins added zero mods to the t_d.

No. The lower level mods were forced in by the Reddit admin a while back. There were warnings about these sock mods long ago. The subsequent banning of the top mods effectively put these sock mods in control.

I don't think that was the case but I am open to sources.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by mantas »

ant6n wrote: post #345
mantas wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many left-leaning subreddits were banned? There're several toxic commie subs with a lot of hatred thrown around, but nobody seems to care. r/politics was default for ages and it wasn't exactly a welcoming place.

I find it wierd what some Americans consider to be communist. A communist is not somebody who advocates for * equal rights for all people independent of ethnic origin, skin color, gender or religion * public transit * universal access to health care * affordable higher education * affordable housing * or even wealth redistribution via taxes, for example via welfare or a guaranteed minimum income A Communist is somebo…

It's been a while since I visited r/politics or r/latestagecapitalism, but both of those (used to?) have plenty of calls for collectivization, permanent revolution etc.

By the way, I'm not American and my birth certificate says I was born in USSR.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by stale2002 »

kylebenzle wrote: post #41
ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

Users won't allow for (use) decentralized platforms until there is a good way to censor them. Once that happens, what would be the point of switching. Facebook and Reddit are successful BECAUSE they are censorship machines. Facebook spends far more man hours on "curating" content compared to engineering. Same with Reddit. Add up all the "moderation" time spent removing negative or controversial posts and I bet much m…

> Same with Reddit. Add up all the "moderation" time spent removing negative or controversial posts and I bet much more time is spent on content compared to programming the site.

Well, but there is easy solution to this. Just do it in the exact same way the reddit does it, which is to have individual fiafdom communities that have self appointed moderators in charge of their own communities.

So, if a user doesn't like a certain community, with a certain moderation policy, they can stop reading that one, and instead go to a different community with a better policy.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by dman »

ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

I think a lack of geographical diversity is coming back to bite tech companies. For better or for worse conservatives believe they are not fairly treated by tech companies. The fact that most US tech companies are on the coasts which happen to be fairly liberal further feeds into this us-vs-them tribal arguments. Curbing divisiveness and helping bring people together has never been more important, I hope we find a way out of the current quagmire collectively as a society.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by mcguire »

damagednoob wrote: post #211
mitchdoogle wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no militant SJWs in the highest political office in the country. There's not even any in Congress.

I think those on the other side of your argument would consider Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to be a militant SJW.

Those on the other side of that argument would consider Woodrow Wilson to be a militant SJW.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by snowwrestler »

drocer88 wrote: post #98

20th Century Dystopian novels are now operations manuals.

I don't see it. Usually when the dystopia is overthrown, the survivors find themselves with the freedom to build what they want. Well, that's already the situation today. No one needs Reddit's permission to build what they want.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by throwaway0xb »

samfriedman wrote: post #159

The title should be updated, as T_D was just one of a large number of subs banned today; even then, it has been largely irrelevant since the admins' earlier decision to quarantine it and impose other restrictions. Other larger banned subs include /r/GenderCritical (anti-Trans) and /r/ConsumeProduct which was ostensibly for criticism of consumerism and product promotion, but hid a large strain of antisemitism below th…

/r/cumtown was Chapo adjacent and also got the axe. Part of the dirtbag left or whatever they go by now.
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