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> I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. It was very clearly a real community, as you can see evidence from the fact that they migrated to thedonald.win when Reddit made it clear that they wouldn't be treated fairly. > So you'd be in your other community and one day they all show up and down votes and the vitriol begins... it was no mystery that this happened, it was spoken of openly in The_Donald…
Well, if you had any doubt about the character of TD and what it has become at its new home, just cruise around it. It’s full of conspiracy theories, misogyny, racism, and outright calls to violence. It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. These “edgy” takes receive many upvotes.
Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse
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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse
#352The internet remains a bastion of free speech. Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, remain privately managed companies with a duty to police their platforms. If /r/The_Donald contributors are upset - they can go almost anywhere else. Vitriol, hate, disinformation, etc... just doesn't need to be on public display.
The problem is that what hate is, is in the eye of the beholder. People can say Trump wanting to enforce rule of law is hate, I don't think so. People can say Trump wanting to enforce our borders is hate, and I don't think so. You have politically motivated people who think that anything that disagrees with their political viewpoints is hate, and justification to be memoryholed from the internet. I don't agree.
That's right. Who defines hate speech? Where do you draw the line? I guess as soon as one incites violence no matter what side of the political spectrum it is from, that is out of order.
Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse
#353I have no love for the political ideology or behavior of this group but they weren't breaking any laws or even any more rules than other groups on reddit that still operate. They were just politically unviable. Centralized corporate means to communicate (like, say, this one we're using) always go bad eventually. It's the natural lifecycle of online forums. Once money involved it's only a matter of time before the pro…
> they weren't breaking ... any more rules than other groups on reddit Do you have data that backs this assertion? Because it seems to run counter to the stated reasoning for the removal of the subreddit.
Before reddit banned TD, they had a sticky post documenting timeline of reddit’s assault and archived proofs of same behavior by other subs.
Specifically, initial quarantine was imposed in a response of an user’s comment saying something like “kill the cops”, which was deleted by TD moderators, but reddit quarantined TD anyway for “calls for violence”. TD has collected and archived links to similar comments in other subs like r/politics which didn’t lead to quarantine of those subs.
Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse
#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, if you had any doubt about the character of TD and what it has become at its new home, just cruise around it. It’s full of conspiracy theories, misogyny, racism, and outright calls to violence. It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. These “edgy” takes receive many upvotes.
> It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. A similar sentiment is commonly expressed by far left individuals and groups on Twitter, Facebook and other mediums. "the only good Tory is a dead Tory" has been the popular refrain for decades. It's depressing these sentiments are carelessly amplified and approved by so many. Edit: Apparently this has caused a stir. I encourage others to not…
The difference* of course is that none of those people have real political power, Democrats are not trying to appease them. The far left aren't the force behind a Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. Those on r/the_donald are Trump's base, the one's that he tries to appease.
*US centric view only, don't know enough about European politics to have an informed opinion.
Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse
#355If the rationale for banning is policy violations (doxxing, racism, vulgarity, calls for violence, etc), as long as the standards are consistently enforced I'm okay with it. Although my caveat is that racism is defined differently for different people. I E., racism has to be directed towards a marginalized group vs derogatory statements based on racial characteristics. This is my main problem with Twitter. The standa…
The issue is more pronounced when applied to online communities. We have to assume there are individual members of any online community both breaking and following the rules. What is the threshold of rule breaking that triggers a blanket deactivation of an entire group?
The rights of social media companies are so vaguely defined now. Can they escape this crisis without anti-trust litigation or a Supreme Court ruling on the fundamental rights of companies when hosting content online?
Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse
#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, if you had any doubt about the character of TD and what it has become at its new home, just cruise around it. It’s full of conspiracy theories, misogyny, racism, and outright calls to violence. It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. These “edgy” takes receive many upvotes.
> It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. A similar sentiment is commonly expressed by far left individuals and groups on Twitter, Facebook and other mediums. "the only good Tory is a dead Tory" has been the popular refrain for decades. It's depressing these sentiments are carelessly amplified and approved by so many. Edit: Apparently this has caused a stir. I encourage others to not…
They're not.
Not only is "The only good Tory is a dead Tory" not a popular refrain at all [1], but a quick search for "The only good Republican is a dead Republican" returns a lot of hits for the "[...] dead Democrat" quote and almost none for the search phrase.
These attempts at false equivalence reliably appear in these situations, and there's reliably nothing to back them up.
The difference is the right is trying very hard to move the Overton Window and make "[...] dead Democrat" an acceptable mainstream sentiment suitable for national news.
[1] You certainly won't hear it from any left-leaning MPs or in Labour constituency meetings. And if that weren't true, recordings would be all over the media.
Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse
#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, if you had any doubt about the character of TD and what it has become at its new home, just cruise around it. It’s full of conspiracy theories, misogyny, racism, and outright calls to violence. It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. These “edgy” takes receive many upvotes.
> It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. A similar sentiment is commonly expressed by far left individuals and groups on Twitter, Facebook and other mediums. "the only good Tory is a dead Tory" has been the popular refrain for decades. It's depressing these sentiments are carelessly amplified and approved by so many. Edit: Apparently this has caused a stir. I encourage others to not…
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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse
#358I have no love for the political ideology or behavior of this group but they weren't breaking any laws or even any more rules than other groups on reddit that still operate. They were just politically unviable. Centralized corporate means to communicate (like, say, this one we're using) always go bad eventually. It's the natural lifecycle of online forums. Once money involved it's only a matter of time before the pro…
> They were just politically unviable. We all know reddit leans a bit left, but the ban also included /r/chapotraphouse which is a leftist subreddit that was also notorious for rule breaking. Frankly, it seems reddit went out of its way to accommodate the_donald for a while now.
> We all know reddit leans a bit left
Do we? I think reddit 'leans a bit right' if anything. Especially in the city-level subreddits or country-level, or communities like that, there is (in my experience) a heavy-handed right-leaning attitude. I noticed this about 10 years ago and it has gotten much much more pronounced. The subreddit r/canada turned extreme-far-right about 10 years ago. Most of the cities I live in downvote left-leaning posts instantly.
I don't think reddit was ever left-leaning in the past and I don't think it is now, either. Sure, left-wing views are posted, sometimes upvoted and tolerated, but I do not think they are the majority.
I consider myself left-wing but feel unwelcome in most subreddits due to my opinions. I'll post anyway, but, it's not a left-leaning site at all IMO.
Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse
#359Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…
The best solution is not to cave to anyone. It's to come out, say what you think is best, then tell anyone who disagrees to either take it or leave the platform. If enough companies, groups and individuals do that, this sort of pressure will stop, since people will learn it doesn't work. Most people won't stop using a platform over this stuff anyway.
If you replace platform by country, this logic doesn't work though.
Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse
#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. It was very clearly a real community, as you can see evidence from the fact that they migrated to thedonald.win when Reddit made it clear that they wouldn't be treated fairly. > So you'd be in your other community and one day they all show up and down votes and the vitriol begins... it was no mystery that this happened, it was spoken of openly in The_Donald…
>And yet Reddit happily ignores vote brigading and other negative externalities from any subreddit that toes their party line, so it seems bizarre to single T_D out Do you have evidence for this, or is it just your gut feeling?
A counterpoint to the post: wasn't r/ShitRedditSays, a subreddit that repeatedly brigaded threads that had racist/bigoted comments, one of the first prominent subreddits to get in trouble for brigading?