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Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by skrowl »

Rebles wrote: post #306
emerged wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was the reason stated, which is not the same as it being the actual reason. This is the strategy being imposed against conservative voices at large.

This is a strategy imposed against racism and violence. If conservative voices include a lot of racism, then, yes, I guess they should stop being racists.

The "everyone I don't like is a racist" debate strategy isn't a good look, but "every conservative is racist" is just pathetic.

There was literally zero racist activity on The_Donald. The mods were very transparent and showed EVERY ACTION once they hit quarantine (to show they didn't deserve to be quarantined). The only racist posts came from new accounts / people who had never posted in The_Donald that were immediately removed by mods.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by SauciestGNU »

shakezula wrote: post #171
Miner49er wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the ban of T_D is only symbolic; it has been dead for months. I think the real news here is the ban of /r/ChapoTrapHouse, (arguably) the most active leftist subreddit there was.

ChapoTrapHouse has been laughing for months about their incoming ban, though. They knew it was coming and they've been preparing for it by migrating to other subs, moving to Discord, etc... T_D users are probably doing the exact same.

I posted on cth periodically and while I think it was banned largely so the admins could claim "balance" I don't care at all. Nothing serious happened there, the daily chat threads were fun, but it was clearly eventually going to be banned and I knew that and didn't get invested.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by cryptoz »

WorkingDead wrote: post #260
shiado wrote: post #106

Reddit really had a good run as an interesting site, but it's really angling for a FB style consumer ad experience now. I think the final blow will be when they go after porn like tumblr did, then it will die forever. Too bad the alternatives are pretty extremist. I think Dread is really the best one because people who want to buy drugs on the internet aren't there completely for the politics.

Hobby specific communities were a big attraction point to reddit, but even those have devolved into heavy censorship. There isnt really a good draw to the site anymore.

IMO the 'heavy censorship' is the only thing keeping hobby communities going well. Without that moderation, you'd be trying to learn about something fun like knitting but you'd see a bunch of hateful content, like racist MAGA stuff instead of knitting for example.

Having the moderation get stronger is the only way to save hobby subreddits IMO.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by ant6n »

mantas wrote: post #280
andybak wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> from any subreddit that toes their party line There's plenty of right-leaning subreddits. What set The_Donald apart was how close it sailed to being outright cultishly crazy.

How many left-leaning subreddits were banned? There're several toxic commie subs with a lot of hatred thrown around, but nobody seems to care. r/politics was default for ages and it wasn't exactly a welcoming place.

I find it wierd what some Americans consider to be communist. A communist is not somebody who advocates for

  * equal rights for all people independent
    of ethnic origin, skin color, gender or
    religion
  * public transit
  * universal access to health care
  * affordable higher education
  * affordable housing
  * or even wealth redistribution via taxes,
    for example via welfare or a guaranteed
    minimum income
A Communist is somebody who advocates for

  * collectivization of the means of production
I'm not quite sure there are many actual Communists in the US.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by notJim »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #148
parliament32 wrote: post #9

Whether you agree with the move or not, it's funny how Reddit's stance has changed over time. Under the old ownership, 2012: "At reddit we care deeply about not imposing ours or anyone elses’ opinions on how people use the reddit platform. We are adamant about not limiting the ability to use the reddit platform even when we do not ourselves agree with or condone a specific use. We have very few rules here on reddit;…

That’s the Reddit and Youtube we need again.

IDK, the internet of that era was a pretty toxic place. Sexism and racism were rampant, such that many people I know IRL simply refused to participate in most internet spaces (including HN). This gave the impression that those viewpoints were mainstream, but that was never the case. I don't think losing out on so many voices of people who don't want to be around that stuff is worth it.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by skrowl »

zionic wrote: post #96
duxup wrote: post #35

It was largely empty after the quarantine. I always wondered what the actual population of that sub was, I felt like I saw some strange patterns where whole hordes of users would appear, disappear, mob another sub and so on. It felt like a very non organic community in many ways. The issues surroundings that sub weren't just some folks who had a sub to talk to each other, they were very busy mobbing / taking over oth…

Well they broke off and made their own website after the quarantine and it's on it's way to the top-1000 US sites (alexa rank).

https:// thedonald . win will probably get more new users after this, because many of the news articles talking about the ban are linking to them (either directly or indirectly)

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by BitwiseFool »

c3534l wrote: post #246
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #155

This may be the first ban of a sitting U.S. president. Reddit is making history over here and I get to see it. Cool.

They didn't ban Trump, nor did they ban all subreddits about Trump. They banned a single subreddit which repeatedly violates reddit rules and refuses to moderate according the rules.

I guarantee you any new pro-Trump subreddits will be banned quickly due to "Ban Evasion".

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by jakobdabo »

ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

So, why moderate a public forum?

Why should platform owners decide what's right and what's wrong? If something is legal then why should we censor it just because it may seem hateful to someone, or somebody feels offended? So what if a post offends somebody? They can deal with it like an adult. Ignore the trolls, and discuss if there is a discussion, offending or not.

If people want a safe private place with no intruders, then they can create a closed/invite-only group and moderate it themselves.

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