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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by SI_Rob »

ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

> we [..] could have more federated and decentralized platforms, or at least more client-side filtering inside of centralization curation

We should start a center to discuss and curate these ideas, a place where we could get together and define what it means to achieve decentralization.

We could call it something snappy and semantic like, say, the Center for Decentralization.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by ummonk »

submeta wrote: post #71

I wonder how someone like Hitler would have been treated. I guess free speech advocates would have helped him to spread his sick ideas and rise to power? Free speech needs to have limits somewhere. If others are insulted, smeared, de-humanized, if hate is spreaded, if under the protection of free speech people rise to power who poison the political climate, then the whole system is in danger of falling apart, with al…

The Weimar Republic had hate speech laws, and prosecuted Nazis for violating them. This simply resulted in more polarization and Nazis becoming more committed to their cause.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by zimac »

New rule change is essentially no hate subs except if it’s hate against a majority aka white people. As a minority I’m tired of defending white people from other white people and being shouted at by white people for doing so. I’ve tried for 6 years to push for equality for all and had the most insane rebuttals against that.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by williamgrant »

bitexploder wrote: post #234
ryankemper wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. It was very clearly a real community, as you can see evidence from the fact that they migrated to thedonald.win when Reddit made it clear that they wouldn't be treated fairly. > So you'd be in your other community and one day they all show up and down votes and the vitriol begins... it was no mystery that this happened, it was spoken of openly in The_Donald…

Well, if you had any doubt about the character of TD and what it has become at its new home, just cruise around it. It’s full of conspiracy theories, misogyny, racism, and outright calls to violence. It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. These “edgy” takes receive many upvotes.

> It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one.

A similar sentiment is commonly expressed by far left individuals and groups on Twitter, Facebook and other mediums.

"the only good Tory is a dead Tory" has been the popular refrain for decades.

It's depressing these sentiments are carelessly amplified and approved by so many.

Edit: Apparently this has caused a stir. I encourage others to not read into this comment anything but disdain for the kind of discourse where "the one good BLANK is a dead BLANK" is accepted.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by abellerose »

u320 wrote: post #298
Miner49er wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gendercritical was not "extreme left". It was an anti-trans (TERF) subreddit hated by actual leftist subs.

Just because something is hated by most of the left doesn't make it "not left".

As a trans person myself. All that subreddit did was target hate towards trans people. Anyone care to elaborate on what else they did with actual proof?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by watwut »

rjbwork wrote: post #213
samfriedman wrote: post #159

The title should be updated, as T_D was just one of a large number of subs banned today; even then, it has been largely irrelevant since the admins' earlier decision to quarantine it and impose other restrictions. Other larger banned subs include /r/GenderCritical (anti-Trans) and /r/ConsumeProduct which was ostensibly for criticism of consumerism and product promotion, but hid a large strain of antisemitism below th…

>In my own opinion this was a long time coming, and Reddit has long since shown that the original hands-off model is woefully inadequate in the face of communities that are willing to expend the effort to argue continuously in bad faith, organize to influence and control opinion in other communities, and attack the platform itself in their campaigns for hateful speech. Just ask /r/BlackLadies if you think these users…

It is not reddit job to attempt to police whole Internet or whole society. They manage their own site only.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by skrowl »

stu2b50 wrote: post #103
pyronik19 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit particularly used to be a free speech platform where anything could go and then used network effects to gain dominance. Now that they have dominance they now implement censorship of right wing views comments. This is true for Facebooks deboosting capabilities.

The reddit administration honestly does very little active moderation. It's a shocker that they actually enforced their rules in the title. Almost all censorship is moderation. And that's "decentralized" and not part of the company itself. Honestly, Reddit would be better if they started laying down the law.

Reddit removed The_Donald from showing up in All, changed their search algorithm, and changed the number of active users showing up on T_D (they screwed up and you could see the true number on their ad buy portal).

Those were all 100% admin actions to censor, not moderator actions.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by abellerose »

gtk40 wrote: post #255

/r/gendercritical was also banned, an active and well-moderated radical feminist sub. I am not a radical feminist, nor was I particularly welcomed there as a man, but I found the sub interesting to expand my perspective.

What did that subreddit do besides hating on trans people? I never saw anything but countless posts targeting hate against trans people.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by skinkestek »

ceedan wrote: post #43
kylebenzle wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a "real" definition of hate speech? It seems like a hard to define rule. I also hate Trump but am allowed to say any horrible thing I want to about him, but if I were to same the same things about Hilary (I also hated her as a politician) it would be hate speech.

Unless you're saying horrible things about her by attacking her gender, then it wouldn't be hate speech. If you have a difficult time saying horrible things about Hillary Clinton without attacking her gender, you might actually be sexist. Think about it. How do you really feel about women?

> If you have a difficult time saying horrible things about Hillary Clinton without attacking her gender, you might actually be sexist. Think about it. How do you really feel about women?

It is unclear for me where this comes from? Did GP update their post after you replied or did you reply to something GP didn't say or even imply?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by trophycase »

mantas wrote: post #280
andybak wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> from any subreddit that toes their party line There's plenty of right-leaning subreddits. What set The_Donald apart was how close it sailed to being outright cultishly crazy.

How many left-leaning subreddits were banned? There're several toxic commie subs with a lot of hatred thrown around, but nobody seems to care. r/politics was default for ages and it wasn't exactly a welcoming place.

Chapo Trap House is left leaning
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