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A new theory about political polarization

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Re: A new theory about political polarization

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One might hope that a common enemy (say, a virus with no known vaccine) would act to reduce polarisation in a society.

It has done that in most societies across the world. Except in one country that is heading into elections this year.

I'd put more of the blame on the leader with no interest in uniting a nation under threat.

Re: A new theory about political polarization

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> It ultimately ends in total polarization," illustrates co-author David Garcia Actually, I think it's more likely to end with violent conflict between the groups. The horsheshoe theory simply won't die[1]. At this point in time the extremes have more in common with one another than they do with the center. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#:~:text=In%20... .

I love how real horshoe theory actually is because no one actually thinks it's legitimate but it really did properly describe politics until 1945...

The Nazis and communists had a lot in common in 1930's Nazi Germany. They even made jokes about how often people switched parties...

"In some cities, the numeral strength of party-switching beefsteak Nazis was estimated to be large. Rudolf Diels (the head of the Gestapo from 1933 to 1934) reported that "70 percent" of the new SA recruits had been Communists in the city of Berlin"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beefsteak_Nazi

Re: A new theory about political polarization

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post #6

People are polarized because they don't like being not polarized isn't really a theory, it's a tautology.

That's a stretch. Conversationally, the implication of your sentence has real meaning - it's not redundant, despite sounding verbally repetitive.

Re: A new theory about political polarization

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has done that in most societies across the world. Except in one country that is heading into elections this year.

I'd put more of the blame on the leader with no interest in uniting a nation under threat.

Who also doesn't want to mess up his face makeup with a mask.

Re: A new theory about political polarization

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One might hope that a common enemy (say, a virus with no known vaccine) would act to reduce polarisation in a society.

Many people don't see COVID as a crisis anymore with better numbers out now and if anything saw people become more self center rather than coming together in this time of trouble.

Many people are being told that COVID is a liberal hoax.

Re: A new theory about political polarization

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This is the kind of stuff when you get when you don't know anything about historical materialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_materialism

Historical materialism is the idea that politics comes from changes in the material conditions of a population. When people need something and aren't getting it, then they meet others in the same situation and compare notes, then you get a political formation.

The United States is refusing to adapt to the needs of the bottom strata of society, and as they learn they can't change the system by voting or protesting, more and more radical steps are taken until the goals of the majority of people will be achieved. The refusal of the government to give even an inch is causing this to happen. Just look at the Bernie Sanders campaign that was talking about state funded medical care for all people, how popular it was and is, and how the DNC merc'd it.

Then we had a pandemic happen that showed definitively how beneficial that policy would be, and the state still refuses to lift a finger to help anyone other than the business community with the exception of a paltry one time $1200 and some unemployment benefits. It took pushing to get Joe Biden to even call for free testing let alone free care!

Edit: To be clear, my objection to this paper is that even though it is authored by physicists, people who should have a clear understanding of materialism (!!) they merely build computer models of ideas, and in that they are merely pontificating on liberal idealism. Their models will be flawed because ideas only "catch" when they find fertile soil. That soil is material reality.

Re: A new theory about political polarization

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post #6

People are polarized because they don't like being not polarized isn't really a theory, it's a tautology.

My wife has a cup that she got as a gift from somebody she cares about. It's not a very good looking cup, it can't be microwaved, and it has to be hand-washed. She never uses it, it just sits in the closet. She has this cup not because she wants it but because she can't come to terms with not wanting it, with getting rid of it. Maybe you can vaguely summarize the situation as her wanting this cup, but that misses a lot of nuance.

Re: A new theory about political polarization

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> It ultimately ends in total polarization," illustrates co-author David Garcia (CSH and MedUni Vienna). Not only do people categorically favor or oppose single issues like abortion, same-sex marriage and nuclear energy. "If they are pro-choice, they are at the same time highly likely to be for gay marriage, against the use of nuclear energy, for the legalization of marijuana, and so on," says Garcia. The possible variety of combinations of different opinions is reduced to the traditional left-right split.

This is an interesting observation, because while we think of all these things as related ideologically, they aren’t necessarily. For example, both Denmark and New Zealand have liberal new Prime Ministers who are women, pro-LGBT, pro-welfare state, and quite strongly anti-immigration. (New Zealand’s PM, Jacinda Ardern, has received very positive media coverage in the U.S., but is part of a ruling coalition with the “New Zealand First” Party, such that her deputy PM is an anti-immigration right-winger.) So the issues on which the “left” and “right” have formed coalitions aren’t necessarily ideological but are to some extent the artifact of history.

Re: A new theory about political polarization

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> It ultimately ends in total polarization," illustrates co-author David Garcia Actually, I think it's more likely to end with violent conflict between the groups. The horsheshoe theory simply won't die[1]. At this point in time the extremes have more in common with one another than they do with the center. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#:~:text=In%20... .

People for slavery and against slavery definitely are both extremists and deserve to be treated in the same breath.
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