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Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by T-hawk »

nordsieck wrote: post #17
softwaredoug wrote: post #2

Both Reddit's and /r/The_Donald speech protected from the outcome. From the article is that that the moderators/participants already have a new place to discuss whatever they want on a reddit clone. Reddit as a platform/company doesn't have to choose to be associated with this hate speech. Both sides have free speech rights and both have outcomes that support that speech...

> Both sides have free speech rights and both have outcomes that support that speech... Free speech has 2 distinct meanings: 1. The legal right to be free from government interference to most speech. 2. The cultural norm to tolerate speech you disagree with in order to foster political inclusion. You're correct under meaning 1; you're not correct under meaning 2.

This is correct, those two ideas are often mistaken for each other.

Reddit is not a governmental entity, and as a private platform, has every right to decide what speech it will or will not publish.

But we can wish that Reddit as a speech platform would embrace the principles of the First Amendment rather than suppressing all the speech it doesn't like.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by zamalek »

augustt wrote: post #24
zozbot234 wrote: post #5

Press F to Pay Respects. BTW, the unofficial successor (as listed on the subreddit itself before the ban) is alive and well at thedonald.win

Let's see how they're doing... highest post, stickied: > title: you are far more likely to die from shootings in nyc than the 'rona > headline 1: The New Normal in NYC? 11 People Shot In Under 12 Hours. > headline 2: New York Reports Just 8 Deaths As Cuomo ... Create however many platforms you want, can't fix weapons-grade stupidity.

> weapons-grade stupidity.

And it really is a weapon.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by FeepingCreature »

Jweb_Guru wrote: post #47
champagneben wrote: post #8

If black people (or perhaps more specifically, subreddits focused on issues pertinent to black communities) were banned on reddit, but they had a much smaller website where they could discuss issues, would it be an outcome that supported their free speech?

Trump is the president of the United States, Republicans have both the Senate and the Supreme Court, and I can barely go two seconds without hearing the perspective of people who voted for Trump. There is an entire news network that acts in an almost official capacity as the Republican party press arm. What on earth makes you think Reddit is the only major place that people could discuss "issues"?

So, discrimination is okay as long as you have alternatives?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by philipov »

kylebenzle wrote: post #41
ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

Users won't allow for (use) decentralized platforms until there is a good way to censor them. Once that happens, what would be the point of switching. Facebook and Reddit are successful BECAUSE they are censorship machines. Facebook spends far more man hours on "curating" content compared to engineering. Same with Reddit. Add up all the "moderation" time spent removing negative or controversial posts and I bet much m…

> Users won't allow for (use) decentralized platforms until there is a good way to censor them.

> Facebook and Reddit are successful BECAUSE they are censorship machines.

Citations needed.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by T-hawk »

qeternity wrote: post #40
kylebenzle wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a "real" definition of hate speech? It seems like a hard to define rule. I also hate Trump but am allowed to say any horrible thing I want to about him, but if I were to same the same things about Hilary (I also hated her as a politician) it would be hate speech.

No, which is why it’s such a slippery slope and why places like the US have such broad laws protecting speech. As the old adage goes, it’s not good speech that needs protecting.

The problem with banning "bad" speech is that it allows you to ban any speech by defining it as "bad".

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by chris_wot »

jeremiahhs wrote: post #26

The article is incorrect. "racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism, glorification of violence and conspiracy theories that flourished there." That can be seen in all political subreddits - even the favored /r/politics. Those forms of hate were not condoned in T_D. But if washpo wants to rewrite history, they can try. T_D was banned because reddit hates the policies Trump was elected to enact.

Reddit shut down the subreddit because of repeated violations of their usage policy.

It is interested to me that violations of their reasonable policy correlate with the direct actions of Donald Trump himself.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by catsarebetter »

arcticbull wrote: post #16
MINIMAN10000 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did and I was left satisfied. I wanted to see their viewpoint on at the time "the hot topic" and confirm my suspicions that I truly don't consider their viewpoint rational or valid. It's like they start from a conclusion and work backwards to excuse it.

That was my experience as well. It's a fascinating parallel universe, but it's not for me. It's kind of the same reason I watch a lot of Fox News.

I really value information and learning how different people think and what's important to them, but it's really hard to do that on forums so I prefer just talking to ppl. Preferably in a non-campaign year to get a less emotional account. Plus it helps me have a more balanced perspective b/c I can put face(s) to different sides and that prevents me from saying things that I can't take back
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