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Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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blindluke wrote: post #179
IanCal wrote: post #169

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> What I described is a substantial benefit of using emacs over sublime text. I think you're _assuming_ "more control" is a substantial benefit for them. > The OP wasn't asking why would anyone want control they were asking what are the benefits of emacs in comparison to sublime. Right, but if you don't see a strong use case for that control it isn't a benefit. The examples you gave were of changing the UI in a way I…

> Giving me the ability to do something I do not want to do is not beneficial. Expecting that an example should be tailor-made is not very beneficial, either. When I go out to buy a car, and the salesman tells me the trunk is big enough to fit a grown pig, this information is of use to me. Not because I smuggle livestock, but because this gives me a good idea of what the capacity is.

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Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by iLemming »

random_cynic wrote: post #190
iLemming wrote: post #188

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I have a job. But thank you for your concern.

I meant a real job. Bullsh*ting on internet still doesn't count as one.

I don't know what makes you so angry. But please re-evaluate your values. Insulting people for no reason, either in real life or online is a miserable way to live. You're not asserting your dominance, even if it makes you feel better for a moment, later it comes and hits you back, you'd feel sorry for the damage you've done, and you'd desperately try to make amends. Even the tiniest bit of acrimony can spoil your social capital for a very long time.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by iLemming »

noahl wrote: post #176
iLemming wrote: post #115

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> emacs outshines all other editing software in approximately the same way that the noonday sun does the stars What makes Emacs genuinely great? Not that it was built a long time ago and withstood the test of time. Not the fact that it is absolutely free to use, distribute and extend. Not that it doesn't have tons of bugs (it does), or has superb support for every known programming language (it does not). To understa…

I have a suspicion, which I have never verified, that the things that make emacs great are basically the things that made Lisp Machines great back when those were a thing - that emacs is best viewed as a Lisp Machine embedded in a modern operating system. I never used a real Lisp Machine, but I'd love if someone who did can confirm this.

The closest thing to a Lisp machine you can get today is if you use Lisp based window manager. StumpWM or EXWM.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by cargoshipit »

_mlxl wrote: post #140
burntoutfire wrote: post #137

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I wish someone did a thorough comparison of emacs with the newer extensible editors, such as Sublime. Is there something substantial that Sublime users are missing?

I'll give two examples to showcase features other editors are missing - ownership over the editor, and the extent to which you can build on top of existing primitives. 1. Can you change where the command palette shows up in Sublime? In emacs (M-x is our Command Palette) I can not show it, I can show it as a full width pane that takes up 50% of the screen, or I could recreate the Sublime Text look and feel (top of the…

Okay, so we need to make sure that anyone that could ever potentially edit this file has this exact same configuration setup and is using emacs?

That's dumb and flaky. You sound like one of those guys that spends thousands of hours customizing/tweaking things instead of just accomplishing tasks.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by iLemming »

thecupisblue wrote: post #131
dreamcompiler wrote: post #126

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> Learning and understanding Lisp expands your umwelt. You will start seeing things differently. Lisp made me weird. Every day I say something like "Rabbits are machines for turning grass into rabbits" and my wife just rolls her eyes.

Oh jesus. I don't Lisp but I guess I should start now since I'm in that mindset already.

If you are a programmer, you are using [a subset of] Lisp already. Every single programming language that in use today was influenced by Lisp. Sadly, most of them dropped the main and arguably the most powerful feature of Lisp - homoiconicity.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by tomjen3 »

burntoutfire wrote: post #137
_mlxl wrote: post #132

I once wrote a long comment on Hacker News about how I wasted 2 years on trying to learn emacs. I wish I could go back and stop anyone from ever reading it in case I put someone off from trying it. I was in a weird place at the time and scapegoated emacs for my lack of productivity. Don't get me wrong it is possible to spend a lot of time fiddling with your config files for emacs. I picked emacs up again after I quit…

I wish someone did a thorough comparison of emacs with the newer extensible editors, such as Sublime. Is there something substantial that Sublime users are missing?

Today I needed to be able to insert the current date in emacs and I found the lisp code to do so online, hacked it to give the output I liked and then added it to emacs - the program I used to edit the code with? The same running version of emacs that I loaded and tested the code with.

I don't know any other editor that can do that.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by billwear »

nxpnsv wrote: post #136
andreareina wrote: post #121

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" Emacs users are like Terry Pratchett’s Igors": https://chrisdone.com/posts/emacs-users-are-like-igor/

Emacth?

To even be compared to anything related to Terry Pratchett is honor enough! And that's EYE-gor, thank you very much.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by billwear »

iLemming wrote: post #202
random_cynic wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant a real job. Bullsh*ting on internet still doesn't count as one.

I don't know what makes you so angry. But please re-evaluate your values. Insulting people for no reason, either in real life or online is a miserable way to live. You're not asserting your dominance, even if it makes you feel better for a moment, later it comes and hits you back, you'd feel sorry for the damage you've done, and you'd desperately try to make amends. Even the tiniest bit of acrimony can spoil your soc…

Don't worry. S/he doesn't have much karma, and I don't expect s/he ever will.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by billwear »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #180
komali2 wrote: post #75

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It'd be hard to argue that it ISN'T "readable." Maybe some would think it's ugly (I don't), but objectively speaking it's ticking every "readability" box.

The lines are too long. It's not very readable.

I broke the lines up some, but tech discussions aren't going to be TV dialog, it's not healthy that way! :)

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by 0-_-0 »

_mlxl wrote: post #140
burntoutfire wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish someone did a thorough comparison of emacs with the newer extensible editors, such as Sublime. Is there something substantial that Sublime users are missing?

I'll give two examples to showcase features other editors are missing - ownership over the editor, and the extent to which you can build on top of existing primitives. 1. Can you change where the command palette shows up in Sublime? In emacs (M-x is our Command Palette) I can not show it, I can show it as a full width pane that takes up 50% of the screen, or I could recreate the Sublime Text look and feel (top of the…

I never understood what people mean by the joke "emacs is a great operating system, all it needs is a decent text editor" but after reading your post I'm starting to.
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