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Re: Greatest Java apps

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Post by pjmlp »

cletus wrote: post #38

So what's funny to me is how Oracle here is bending over backwards not to give Google credit for pretty much anything. It's actually hilarious. I laughed at Eclipse Collections. What? No mention of Guava, even though it's used way more. It's practically part of Oracle's copyrighted Java API. but of course the most hilarious omission is, of course, Android. And you can say "blah blah Dalvik VM blah blah" but... it's J…

I have used Java on and off since 1998, am yet to ever touch Guava.

Android Java is Google's J++, with its half baked Java 8 compatibility, and deserves the same treatment that J++ once had.

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Post by LockAndLol »

They might not like being associated with it, but JDownloader is amazing Java software. It's fast, looks good, integrates with all desktop environments I've used and still works impeccably.

I wish Java had a solution for web+platform UIs. Webapps that then run in Electron is by far the most annoying thing I've had to deal with as a user.

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Post by diroussel »

I suspect the greatest java apps are the ones that can't be written about. The ones that run in a data center, that are a tremenous advantage in the market to the companies that run them. These are so important to the app owners, that they don't want others to know about them.

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Post by rando231 »

rayalez wrote: post #42

I'm planning to get a Masters degree in CS, and it bothers me that the program I chose uses Java as the primary language. They have an awesome theoretical curriculum, but it looks like I'll have to use Java to complete all the practical tasks. I'm a Node/React web developer, I want to build a SaaS startup, and I'm not really interested in writing Java apps, I doubt I'll ever want to use it for something. Do you guys…

You will probably learn many languages in your career. Most of the understanding you'll gain will apply across languages, so I wouldn't worry about it being a waste of time.

Learning Java should force you to understand object oriented design, as it is hard to do anything well in Java without it (though some try). While there are signs that OO's domination is nearing an end, there are reams of code out there that require a good understanding of it.

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Post by zamalek »

jcfrei wrote: post #33
capableweb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it´s because Android is not mainly consisting of Java code, unlike for example Minecraft. Correct me if I´m wrong, but isn´t Android made with mostly C and C++?

Kernel (Linux) and android runtime (previously dalvik vm) plus some native libraries are C(++). The rest of the stack running in the user space is Java though (with support for native code).

They are slowly moving to Dart, but the lions share is still Java. My guess is that they are trying to get away from the reach of Oracle lawyers.

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Post by mumblemumble »

andonisus wrote: post #53
mumblemumble wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure the most popular video game in history was implemented in TTL. (Though Java versions certainly exist, too.) It's also worth noting that Minecraft was originally implemented in Java, but, in order to get it running on consoles and mobile, they had to port it to C++. Which doesn't discount how much Java contributed to its early success. (Most importantly, I'm guessing, by making it even feasible in the…

The Java version is still very popular due to its support for mods.

It absolutely is, and it's my preferred version. But I think I remember seeing somewhere that the vast majority of unit sales were of versions that were written in C++. My guess is that, if it had stayed Java only, it would have still been extremely popular, especially by indie game standards, but would not have become quite such a global phenomenon.

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jmartrican wrote: post #10

What are the odds that a language known for its use in boring enterprise software is the language used to create the most popular video game in history (Minecraft). If C++ was a person it would be mad/salty at this fact.

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Post by mumblemumble »

the_af wrote: post #36
jmartrican wrote: post #10

What are the odds that a language known for its use in boring enterprise software is the language used to create the most popular video game in history (Minecraft). If C++ was a person it would be mad/salty at this fact.

And yet people here on HN have told me in recent threads, when discussing Java, that: - Java is not suitable for enterprise software (yes! Some people here actually believe that). - Java is not a good general purpose language (but Minecraft was written in Java. Or even better, the list of very varied apps from this article shows it's indeed a good general purpose language). What these people actually mean is "I don't…

I work in Java every day, and I agree it's been a huge success. But I also don't think it's a good general purpose language. It's absolutely full of warts and gotchas and ergonomic problems and questionable design decisions that even the people who made them have come to regret.

But known history tells us that there is very little correlation between a language's success and how well-designed it is. Outside of software, too - I think the archetype for this phenomenon is probably VHS and Betamax.

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Post by bzb3 »

the_af wrote: post #36
jmartrican wrote: post #10

What are the odds that a language known for its use in boring enterprise software is the language used to create the most popular video game in history (Minecraft). If C++ was a person it would be mad/salty at this fact.

And yet people here on HN have told me in recent threads, when discussing Java, that: - Java is not suitable for enterprise software (yes! Some people here actually believe that). - Java is not a good general purpose language (but Minecraft was written in Java. Or even better, the list of very varied apps from this article shows it's indeed a good general purpose language). What these people actually mean is "I don't…

The performance of the Java version of Minecraft is so terrible that the entire game had to be rewritten to be played on consoles.

Minecraft was not popular because of Java, Minecraft was popular despite Java.

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