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Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by luckylion »

brnt wrote: post #533
luckylion wrote: post #489

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I understood the general goal the same way. As for CoC: I believe it's more of a signalling act than a reaction to past issues. Just like the KKK would add "no race mixing" to the rules, a left wing open source project needs to signal to their in group, and their main way of doing that is to say "no harassment based on [some criteria]".

"No harassment" qualifies as left wing signalling now?

Adding a code of conduct of that specific kind ("no being mean about weight" etc) not as a reaction to actual issues you've faced, but from the get go? Yeah, and it's a reliable signal as well. Inclusivity is one of the progressive core tenets.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by secondcoming »

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #480
missosoup wrote: post #354

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The word 'bigoted' is getting thrown around all over the place in this post and most commenters, including this one, seem to have never actually looked it up in the dictionary. Bigoted does not mean right-wing, objectionable, or things one disagrees with. Bigoted means unwilling to change one's opinion. Which certainly applies to the hard left wing end of the spectrum just as much as it does to hard right. Bigoted: o…

> The word 'bigoted' is getting thrown around all over the place in this post and most commenters, including this one, seem to have never actually looked it up in the dictionary. On the contrary: """One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.""" It applies very well to people intolerant of other groups, ethnicity or race.

Well, I guess there's a little bit of a bigot in everyone! It may sound like an insult but really isn't.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by Thomas812 »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #486
wojciii wrote: post #449

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Some subreddits were banned because other disliked the content. Like watchpeopledie. While the sub was disgusting banning it was for me the last nail in the coffin of social networks which decide what is the best for me. While I still use Reddit I'm looking for an alternative without the built-in censorship.

If you feel restricted by rules preventing you from being hurtful towards others, the problem is you, not the rules.

If you can't comprehend that hurtful is completely subjective you should not be writing any rules.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by reedwolf »

austincheney wrote: post #224
MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

I left Reddit. I got tired of the echo chamber nonsense and deleted my account.

So when was the last time you were on Reddit?

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by x3haloed »

Afforess wrote: post #24

How is lemmy going to avoid the fate of the last reddit alternative (voat)? Voat attracted the communities banned from reddit, e.g the worst of the worst: jailbait, creepshots, beatingwomen, etc. The users most interested in an alternative to reddit are on average, the exact wrong type of user to help with the growth of a healthy community. I don't see any information on how being "federated" solves the hard problem…

Because Lenny has a unique offering besides escaping the current Reddit regime: owning your own data. That’s a completely different motivator.

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Post by HappyDreamer »

sgillen wrote: post #347
IgorPartola wrote: post #320

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I don’t need to have a discussion with a guy who beats his wife because he never got help for his PTSD to know it’s wrong. Giving it a platform treats it like a point of view and not a gross fucking crime. I don’t need to talk to a Nazi to know that gassing Jews and gays is wrong. People seem to think that there are some unexplored ideas here that merit further discussion. We have already established that this shit i…

You might not need to talk to that guy to know beating his wife was wrong. But talking to him may make you realize he’s in a lot of pain, and that he’s been hurt by a system larger than both of you. That doesn’t absolve him of guilt but I think pragmatically it gives us a better shot at preventing such things in the far future. You don’t have to browse Nazi forums to know that gassing Jews is wrong. But you may start…

> talking to him may make you realize he’s in a lot of pain, and that he’s been hurt by a system larger than ...

I'd look at fat-people-hate and beat-women subreddits more like bank robberers planning their next attack on a bank, discussing weapons, and having a good time looking at viedos of robberies from the past.

Then you can visit them and tell them "But it's wrong to rob banks, it's not your money and think of the poor people working in the bank, they'll get PTSD".

Or you say "Let's discuss the big underlying systematic problem that is larger than all of us, and makes you rob banks, and how to solve it"

Then you get banned from that subreddit, and the bank robberers continue enjoying robbing banks.

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Post by TulliusCicero »

missosoup wrote: post #531
TulliusCicero wrote: post #511

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You focused on unwillingness to change one's opinion. That's certainly a definition, but the more common one in use is about prejudice, especially prejudice based on inherent traits like sex or race or sexuality. I'm sure you're aware of that, which is why it's confusing that you're acting as if you're not. I don't dispute that it's extraordinarily difficult to get people to change political opinions, especially on t…

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> It's the inability to accept new viewpoints

No, it's not just that. I don't understand why you're being intentionally obtuse here, other than that the framing helps your viewpoint if you can trick others into accepting it.

Words can have more than one definition. Yours isn't the one I was using, no matter you wish it was otherwise.

Again, since you apparently missed this the first time around, or intentionally ignored it:

> especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by 0x6c6f6c »

rolleiflex wrote: post #210
LockAndLol wrote: post #197

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> Aether is a relatively large app with an Electron and Go toolchain, at 100,000+ lines of code. Getting it to compile requires setting up a correct build runtime with the latest versions of Go, Node (for Electron) and C dependencies and development environments. Expect the initial set-up to take a few hours. Be patient! Is Electron a hard dependency or is there a core lib that can be wrapped by the GUI framework of…

Actually, we have recently improved on this, it’s probably now less than half an hour of setup, at least on Linux. The new guide is on the Github repo: https://gist.github.com/nehbit/4a8c3d81d543e85c9df974f521732... We use Electron exclusively for GUI. The real app is a Go binary with a GRPC API. It’s all fully isolated, so if you don’t want to touch any Electron, you don’t have to. Use the API to build a CLI app, fo…

There's a fully JavaScript implementation of gRPC[0] that you may be able to use should you implement a web app using Service Workers[1]. This would be installable for browsers in a manner that should provide long-lived access to the network.

0. https://www.npmjs.com/package/@grpc/grpc-js 1. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Service_Wor...

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Post by hutzlibu »

thinkloop wrote: post #545
hutzlibu wrote: post #520

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My point was, that it is hard and the lines are blurry. But actually I do believe in the concept of unrestricted speech. But I really don't know when was the last time, that was tried. There were times, when certain topics were ok to speak freely about, like racism, yes, but at those times other topics were restricted, so what exactly are you talking about?

> I do believe in the concept of unrestricted speech. Including illegal things?

What do you mean by that?

In Saudia Arabia it is illegal to say, God does not exist. (and in germany under special circumstances, too - meaning, if enough people would get angry at you saying that, it would be illegal for you to say so)

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by X6S1x6Okd1st »

_8j50 wrote: post #305
TulliusCicero wrote: post #153

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> If you choose to opt out of email then you also choose to opt out of email support and being able to reset passwords via email. And the users will get mad and blame the service provider. That said users are dumb/wrong or whatever is irrelevant, what matters to the business is that they're pissing off users and getting a bad reputation. Thus, requiring emails from the user is entirely rational and in fact is a good…

No, making it a default makes sense. Users will not get mad if they get a warning telling them email support will no longer be possible. Alternatively you can opt with giving them a recovery code by which they can contact support or with which email will be enabled for an account when the user forgets their password. The only time you can't turn on email on your account is if you lose the password. Email is not secur…

>Alternatively you can opt with giving them a recovery code by which they can contact support or with which email will be enabled for an account when the user forgets their password.

This is absurd, you either have an extremely idealistic view of the abilities of users or your thinking is warped by your extreme hatred towards a ubiquitous protocol.

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