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The CDC lost control of the coronavirus pandemic, then the agency disappeared

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Re: The CDC lost control of the coronavirus pandemic, then the agency disappeared

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The article started off convincingly "On January 17th...", but i gave up after "....the world’s most trusted public health agency, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,...".

If the sentence had've been "...the world’s most trusted public health agency, [in The United States (well, maybe)]", I would have perhaps considered reading more.

Re: The CDC lost control of the coronavirus pandemic, then the agency disappeared

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's worse. It devolved into a political institution. Any academic institution would have trivially been able to get the PCR test right (and academic institutions did). Bur our agencies gave into political pressures, were defunded and declared in critical moments, etc, leading to the failure of the federal government we see now

>gave into political pressures People don't like getting fired, blame the politicians for threatening and firing anyone who disagrees with them, don't blame the people whose jobs were in jeopardy.

This same thing happened here in the UK (with similar results). Scientists scared of being ostracised if they spoke against the government. So they just went along with all the dumb decisions. We also have an group of scientists ‘Sage’ who are meant to be our best minds, who gave similarly useless and inconsistent advice because it was politicised.

Re: The CDC lost control of the coronavirus pandemic, then the agency disappeared

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post #5

Over the past few years a series of American agencies have lost their reputation and world standing. The FAA with the 737 max, the CDC with the test, the FDA with testing regulation and hydroxychloroquine. Its important to have institutions that work, but we've spent years deliberately gutting them and undervaluing them. All that money spent on the military and homeland security, and in the end we were caught utterly…

The data we have on hydroxychloroquine is now convincingly negative-there's just a ton of misinformation and it's become a political issue. But when some institutions fail you get widespread mistrust of both institutions and experts, which maybe is part of the compounding problem.

Re: The CDC lost control of the coronavirus pandemic, then the agency disappeared

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post #5

Over the past few years a series of American agencies have lost their reputation and world standing. The FAA with the 737 max, the CDC with the test, the FDA with testing regulation and hydroxychloroquine. Its important to have institutions that work, but we've spent years deliberately gutting them and undervaluing them. All that money spent on the military and homeland security, and in the end we were caught utterly…

Without distracting from you central point (which I very much agree with), please read the science around hydroxychloroquine, not the news. It works best taken with Zinc, and early when symptoms first present.

No. This has been disproven by the only good studies we have. Even with zinc and early, it has not been shown to have any effect.

Re: The CDC lost control of the coronavirus pandemic, then the agency disappeared

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Clearly it was the CDC at fault here, not a few hand picked bureaucrats, not the chain of command, not a president with a penchant for firing people who challenge his authority. What a poorly concocted article. The least the author could do so remind people of the “starve the beast” approach to public utilities that the Republicans have been pursuing for decades. Nope, we’ll just throw the entire CDC under a bus.

For what it's worth, and despite the title, when I read this article the message I took away is exactly the one you are describing.

Re: The CDC lost control of the coronavirus pandemic, then the agency disappeared

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I hope we do a serious review of the cdc when this is all over. For all the money we give them, they totally failed to "control" the outbreak. It feels like it's devolved into an academic institution and we have enough of those.

IDK the US that well, but if you don't have coercitive power over politicians what can you do. I'm aware that CDC has been criticized for other stuff as well, but in the end they seem to not have that much power.

In my country (Spain) it has been a shitshow. Everyone who warned about the upcoming situation was ridiculed and/or insulted in a coordinated effort between government and media. Now the same people is being called captain after the fact. It's pretty sad to see, and I've been subject to this myself despite not being a public figure.

Everything has turned into a political shitshow. When you have medical professionals in TV insisting that the government is right, and that this is just a flu, when you have your lead epidemiologist in TV with absurd claims, when you have your OSHA-spanish-equivalent in National Police fired for buying masks (and the list goes on and on), then how can anyone trust the institutions.

I mean, my regional government which is corrupt, and sometimes hilariously inept has done a better job. What the *@^- man.

Re: The CDC lost control of the coronavirus pandemic, then the agency disappeared

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post #5

Over the past few years a series of American agencies have lost their reputation and world standing. The FAA with the 737 max, the CDC with the test, the FDA with testing regulation and hydroxychloroquine. Its important to have institutions that work, but we've spent years deliberately gutting them and undervaluing them. All that money spent on the military and homeland security, and in the end we were caught utterly…

The data we have on hydroxychloroquine is now convincingly negative-there's just a ton of misinformation and it's become a political issue. But when some institutions fail you get widespread mistrust of both institutions and experts, which maybe is part of the compounding problem.

The hydroxychloroquine study I'm referring to has less to do with the data and more to do with how the FDA behaves regarding the drug, where they gave the drug an emergency use authorization based off of what seemed like pretty blatant interference from the executive branch. If the drug had ended up working, maybe their reputation would have taken less of a hit, but that wouldn't have changed how inappropriate that authorization was, and how it demonstrated that you could get a drug approved if you had enough political power from the president behind you. That's not a message that's making me optimistic when we look at vaccine development right now - that core trust that the agency operates on science/public health instead of politics has been shaken.

Re: The CDC lost control of the coronavirus pandemic, then the agency disappeared

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post #16
post #3

Clearly it was the CDC at fault here, not a few hand picked bureaucrats, not the chain of command, not a president with a penchant for firing people who challenge his authority. What a poorly concocted article. The least the author could do so remind people of the “starve the beast” approach to public utilities that the Republicans have been pursuing for decades. Nope, we’ll just throw the entire CDC under a bus.

For what it's worth, and despite the title, when I read this article the message I took away is exactly the one you are describing.

It is Buzzfeed after all.

Re: The CDC lost control of the coronavirus pandemic, then the agency disappeared

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post #3

Clearly it was the CDC at fault here, not a few hand picked bureaucrats, not the chain of command, not a president with a penchant for firing people who challenge his authority. What a poorly concocted article. The least the author could do so remind people of the “starve the beast” approach to public utilities that the Republicans have been pursuing for decades. Nope, we’ll just throw the entire CDC under a bus.

Agreed, we’ve all watched the president say all the wrong things at the wrong times during this episode. I don’t doubt he is pulling the wrong strings behind the scenes too.
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