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Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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> By another proxy, this means Aether avoids the issue of having a ‘middle management’ (...) so no one can control what you see. This right here is the main thing that will never let any fully-decentralized system become mainstream. Two problems: - Most people do want "middle-management". They don't want to deal with security risks, technical issues, understanding how the protocol works just to be able to share memes…

The trade-off is that when you run your own instance you have to then attract users to it for it to be useful, which burdens others. In a fully decentralized network you can meet new people and moderate your own view of the world without putting any burden on others to adapt to what you want. Moderation can be done with a system like this: https://adecentralizedworld.com/2020/06/a-trust-and-moderati...

> The trade-off is that when you run your own instance you have to then attract users to it for it to be useful, which burdens others.

This really depends on the design. Email is "federated" but that doesn't require you to get anybody else to use your email server in order for you send or receive emails with them.

What I'd kind of like to see is a system that separates hosting and accounts from moderation.

So you have a host, like email, and a username on the host. Then you have a forum, which has operators/moderators (who are users), but the forum is host-independent. Maybe it only actually runs on a specific host at a given time, but the operators can move it without anybody noticing and anybody can use it regardless of who their own host is.

It makes it so you can be a forum operator without having to be a host.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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> By another proxy, this means Aether avoids the issue of having a ‘middle management’ (...) so no one can control what you see. This right here is the main thing that will never let any fully-decentralized system become mainstream. Two problems: - Most people do want "middle-management". They don't want to deal with security risks, technical issues, understanding how the protocol works just to be able to share memes…

The trade-off is that when you run your own instance you have to then attract users to it for it to be useful, which burdens others. In a fully decentralized network you can meet new people and moderate your own view of the world without putting any burden on others to adapt to what you want. Moderation can be done with a system like this: https://adecentralizedworld.com/2020/06/a-trust-and-moderati...

Sorry, either you don't understand the concept of federation, or you are bullshitting me.

I can run a single-user Mastodon instance and follow people from any other instance. They can follow me as well. I can send emails from my personal server to anyone on gmail, and vice-versa.

Where do I need to "attract other users" to my instance? It's quite the opposite!

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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I have to say, at the very least, the UI is a breath of fresh air compared to new Reddit. New Reddit is just...I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just feels awful to look at.

It also devours resources compared to the old version

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Is it possible to make fonts smaller to resemble old.reddit.com? My perception field is vastly larger than the amount of text displayed (i.e. my brain can search for keywords without actually consciously focusing on them).

command / ctrl + scroll-wheel?

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Can we try to figure out sociologically, why by default unmoderated social forums become far-right oriented? Is it because: - People on the far-right are magnitudes more vocal and active online than those on the left? That they spend a magnitude more time posting and voting on the internet? - Or when people are anonymous, they reveal their "true selves" more which exhibits more far-right (selfish, tribal, conservativ…

Option 4: poorly moderated forums tend to fill with people banned by most other forums, such as Nazis. And various other undesirables, too; I gather voat had a big influx when Reddit banned its paedophile subreddits, and another one when FPH et all were killed. So if 1% of the population are far-right extremists, but most normal platforms ban or restrict them, any new platform with poor regulation will tend to fill w…

Ok, I've not lived in Ireland for 15 years but I find it hard to believe that it has a 'right' that falls into the same definition as that of the US. You can't say that being anti-abortion means you're right-wing and therefore must also hate black people. It is actually possible for people to have a foot in either camp, to varying degrees, on multiple issues.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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You’ve got to give people a space to consider both sides of every argument. Better to cordone off that space than have that discussion elsewhere. If you tell someone NEVER GO INTO THE LAST DOOR ON THE THIRD STORY, they’ll endlessly wonder what’s inside. If you show them that it’s your amateur paintings, they’ll never care again.

I don’t need to have a discussion with a guy who beats his wife because he never got help for his PTSD to know it’s wrong. Giving it a platform treats it like a point of view and not a gross fucking crime. I don’t need to talk to a Nazi to know that gassing Jews and gays is wrong. People seem to think that there are some unexplored ideas here that merit further discussion. We have already established that this shit i…

It’s just standard “both sides” crap

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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The trade-off is that when you run your own instance you have to then attract users to it for it to be useful, which burdens others. In a fully decentralized network you can meet new people and moderate your own view of the world without putting any burden on others to adapt to what you want. Moderation can be done with a system like this: https://adecentralizedworld.com/2020/06/a-trust-and-moderati...

Sorry, either you don't understand the concept of federation, or you are bullshitting me. I can run a single-user Mastodon instance and follow people from any other instance. They can follow me as well. I can send emails from my personal server to anyone on gmail, and vice-versa. Where do I need to "attract other users" to my instance? It's quite the opposite!

I thought you meant similar to hosting a forum or Lemmy like site.

With Mastadon if say I'm on another instance and the host of that instance blocks yours (because they don't agree with your politics or whatever) then won't I be unable to see your feed? I'd have to setup my own Mastadon instance to get around this? What if I'm not technically inclined enough to do this? Then I'm subject to the whims of the moderators of the instance.

What if I live in China and they block access to the biggest instances so I'm cut off from all the big communities and can't participate?

What if an instance of Mastadon crashes and the admins can't be bothered restoring it. As a user on that instance haven't you lost everything?

These are the problems decentralized networks are solving, being subject to the whims of other people.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

#330

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Can we try to figure out sociologically, why by default unmoderated social forums become far-right oriented? Is it because: - People on the far-right are magnitudes more vocal and active online than those on the left? That they spend a magnitude more time posting and voting on the internet? - Or when people are anonymous, they reveal their "true selves" more which exhibits more far-right (selfish, tribal, conservativ…

or keep getting kicked off of the other platforms. or duplicate accounts to give the illusion of larger numbers. For example there are a lot of Reddit accounts created with in the 3 months or so very active on the same post pushing the same agenda.

Twitter recently deleted 170k bot accounts that pushed a Chinese controlled narrative related to covid. It's not hard to imagine that other actors are doing the same on reddit in order to stir shit up, and that impressionable real users are falling for it.
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