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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by TulliusCicero »

chinesempire wrote: post #222
TulliusCicero wrote: post #202

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> If I'm having a discussion with people in real life I decide what I accept or not, there's no third party that decides for me what is right. Yes, and that works fine because there's no platform there, just a 1 on 1 or small group conversation. You can still easily replicate this, unmoderated, with email or various messaging apps. Once you can talk to potentially hundreds or thousands of people at once, once there's…

It works because I decide. There's no intrinsical limitation on the number of participants Don't you like what a user says? You can ignore them Don't you like what some instance does, you can block it. Any platform that is popular has an editorial board and doesn't want you to say things they don't like. Simple as that. Newspaper had no comments sections because it's silly to comment the news, they already decide wha…

> I don't mind trolls, if I can decide who they are and silence them.

This only works for small communities. You can't feasibly block the literally thousands of trolls and petty assholes that are posting on Reddit every day without that task consuming all your time. Multiply that by every single user having to do it personally and it gets even sillier.

There's a reason basically every popular platform is moderated on some level, and it's not because of some grand meta-moderator conspiracy.

Moderation is near-universally used because it works. Non-moderating doesn't work for conversations that eclipse some size. Disliking how moderators behave doesn't change that.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by Thorentis »

MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

True, but just don't fall into the trap of thinking Reddit is a centrist, unbiased platform that only bans those that upset the equilibrium. Reddit is partisan, applies bans selectively, and permits astroturfing when it agrees with the cause.

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Post by [deleted] »

holidaygoose wrote: post #64
MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

Can we try to figure out sociologically, why by default unmoderated social forums become far-right oriented? Is it because: - People on the far-right are magnitudes more vocal and active online than those on the left? That they spend a magnitude more time posting and voting on the internet? - Or when people are anonymous, they reveal their "true selves" more which exhibits more far-right (selfish, tribal, conservativ…

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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by agensaequivocum »

nebulosa wrote: post #209
agensaequivocum wrote: post #188

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> This is a misdirection. Yes there are a very small minority of people who do call for this but it is what I'm talk about is simple opposition to others political beliefs. If I say that there are only two sexes and you cannot change your sex, I would be banned from many of the most popular subreddits. This is not advocating for the genocide of trans people. It's a scientific and political position. A comparison can…

> If someone advocated for climate change denialism on any public forum, they'd be laughed out of the metaphorical room

The problem is that no one online has any sense of nuance. Any questioning of the absolute worst prediction, or disagreement about public policy regarding it are looked down on as climate change denialism.

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Post by earthscienceman »

TheGrim-888 wrote: post #218
earthscienceman wrote: post #185

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As a straight white dude from the rural United States who regularly hangs out in extremely far-left circles in very far-left places... you're out of your mind. I've never once heard a 'leftist' advocate for the murder of men, whites, straight people, conservatives, or rural dwellers (although, to be fair, occasionally the police). However, growing up and still when I visit home, I regularly hear how black people, que…

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And. To the point of 1984-style revisionist history, old man. Statues are symbols we use to celebrate heros and victors. It's plain-as-day simple to look at a statue of a treasonous black-hating slave owner and say "maybe a statue of these pricks isn't the best way to memorialize history". It's not re-writing history to say "the union won and let's not celebrate slave owners". It's re-writing history to say "these slave owners are heros, lets memorialize them in statues".

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by austincheney »

holidaygoose wrote: post #64
MattGaiser wrote: post #18

How is this going to avoid becoming like Voat? Reddit already has competitors. It is just that they are cesspools as the only people who have a strong reason to leave reddit are those reddit has banned.

Can we try to figure out sociologically, why by default unmoderated social forums become far-right oriented? Is it because: - People on the far-right are magnitudes more vocal and active online than those on the left? That they spend a magnitude more time posting and voting on the internet? - Or when people are anonymous, they reveal their "true selves" more which exhibits more far-right (selfish, tribal, conservativ…

> become far-right oriented?

The problem is not so subjectively limited as to be a right-wing problem. Communities, unless extremely well policed, tend to become gravities of like mindedness when there is a visible vote system. This seems to occur because vote counts, whether positive or negative, are viewed as a form of credibility and because people are generally hostile to disruption and originality.

When you step back from a subjective slant the phenomenon of group think has been well studied.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by ryder9 »

jimbob45 wrote: post #127
Afforess wrote: post #24

How is lemmy going to avoid the fate of the last reddit alternative (voat)? Voat attracted the communities banned from reddit, e.g the worst of the worst: jailbait, creepshots, beatingwomen, etc. The users most interested in an alternative to reddit are on average, the exact wrong type of user to help with the growth of a healthy community. I don't see any information on how being "federated" solves the hard problem…

Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits. If those start creeping into your politics, memes, and video game subreddits, then yeah you’ve got a rough problem.

> nothing wrong with pedophilia or nazis

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by agensaequivocum »

earthscienceman wrote: post #208
agensaequivocum wrote: post #188

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I love how you explicitly avoided the use of the word gender and don't actually address that you're uncomfortable that some people don't fit into the social boxes of male and female. As for vitriol against billionaires and cops, taking a stand against people abusing power is as American as the Boston tea party. If you're advocating for people to shut up and take the abuse you sound pretty authoritarian to me. Is it t…

> If you're advocating for people to shut up and take the abuse you sound pretty authoritarian to me.

No I never said that nor do I think it. There are definite problems with some cops and there are many instances of gross abuse. I have no problem with billionaires.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by glenstein »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #235

I have to say, at the very least, the UI is a breath of fresh air compared to new Reddit. New Reddit is just...I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just feels awful to look at.

Absolutely. It's not a bad interface, and for better or for worse I think this is critically important to get right, and was a huge part of Mastodon's success. I think so many other well-intentioned projects fail because of inscrutable interfaces, so it is good to see the UI taken seriously.
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