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Why vegan junk food may be even worse for your health

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Re: Why vegan junk food may be even worse for your health

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I’m willing to sacrifice some karma on this. What a trash article that selectively picks information (some of it not really true and some of it easily overcome in today’s world). Whatever diet you follow, if you don’t care about what you eat or don’t eat and in which combinations, your health will not be what could be expected for a person of the same profile who cares about what they eat. Processed (also called “jun…

By eating food that is more unhealthy for you in order to save the planet, it means that you have valued the planet's health above your own. I find this to be irrational. I am all for finding the cleanest, most environmentally friendly way of feeding humans. But if the result is less good for human consumption, then I am simply substituting one evil for another, and nobody can take any moral high ground over it.

> By eating food that is more unhealthy for you in order to save the planet, it means that you have valued the planet's health above your own. I find this to be irrational.

I find it more irrational to believe that one can be healthy in an unhealthy environment.

> I am all for finding the cleanest, most environmentally friendly way of feeding humans. But if the result is less good for human consumption, then I am simply substituting one evil for another, and nobody can take any moral high ground over it.

The article is about flimsy speculation on one extreme situation (vegan junk food vs. regular junk food). Nutrition science offers us precious little certainties, one of the few being that processed food is less healthy than food cooked by humans with a few simple ingredients. An healthy and balanced vegan diet would be fantastically more healthy than the choices of at least 90% of americans.

Can you create some optimally-healthy diet for a small group of priviliged people at the expense of fucking the environment and resources for everyone else? Probably. Should you? I guess it depends on how you see your relation with the rest of humanity.

In any case, this is all theoretical. I bet most people gasping about this are going to down some pizza & beer within the next 24 hours.

Re: Why vegan junk food may be even worse for your health

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I know we interpret very broadly what topics are considered “hacker” news here. But I, for one, think the topic of nutrition and particularly vegan nutrition seems to generate a lot more heat than light on HN. There are plenty of other places online people can go to discuss this. I wouldn’t mind seeing this site stick a little closer to its hacker roots.

I disagree. This is a huge area which is ripe for innovation. Eating crap food is a huge problem for society and many don't even realise what they are doing to their bodies or the planet.

I’m pretty much vegan myself and have been an advocate for plant based diets here on HN many times. But the discussions on this topic don’t ever seem to go anywhere productive here with people mostly talking past each other.

There are plenty of other places people that want to debate this stuff can go.

Re: Why vegan junk food may be even worse for your health

#34

I personally know several vegans that have had minor health problems because of their diet. You can eat a very healthy diet as a vegan, the problem is most people are not educated or motivated enough to get proper variation in their diet. Its much easier for the general public to eat a varied diet by not restricting themselves to veganism.

"Its much easier for the general public to eat a varied diet by not restricting themselves to veganism."

Which nutrients (micro or macro) would you say most people would be missing if switching from a omnivore diet to veganism?

Re: Why vegan junk food may be even worse for your health

#35

This article misses two huge reasons for veganism: global warming and animal welfare. It doesn't even seem to try represent vegans fairly, which pisses me off (even though I'm not one).

IMHO the biggest argument is that vegan diet is much less resource-intensive. Much more people could be fed globally, because per gram of omni food a multiple of resources (water, soy, space) are used compared to a vegan diet.

Re: Why vegan junk food may be even worse for your health

#36
I'm not vegan but this article is junk.

Junk food is well known to be unhealthy.

A lot of animal fats cooked at high temperature are known to be carcinogenic.

There is widespread agreement in nutritional medicine that most people eat too much meat and not enough fruit and vegetables.

IMO the phrasing "vegan junk food may be even worse" and the whole article sounds like cherry picking and clickbait.

Re: Why vegan junk food may be even worse for your health

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm looking at the list and see nothing out of the ordinary. Which one of those are unhealthy?

I'd like to reverse the question; which one of those are healthy, especially compared to the real version?

All of them are healthy. Although you may want to define healthy.

Re: Why vegan junk food may be even worse for your health

#38
I think the problem with most vegan dishes in the west is the lack of a cultural context. Unlike food conglomerates, cultures give an unbiased generational assessment of what it means to have flavor and health benefits e.g - vegan burger in america (processed as hell) < vegan dumplings (fresh leeks, vegetables, garlic). Also as a woman you do face low iron levels naturally and vegan diets affect how we menstruate.

Re: Why vegan junk food may be even worse for your health

#39
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>Olive oil, on the other hand, is high in high-density lipoproteins (HDL). Lipoproteins are the fat transport mechanism found in animals. Oil olive, like all vegan products, does not contain lipoproteins.

>Lipoproteins

Is that a bad thing? Quick google suggests it's associated with inflammation

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