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Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by ashtonkem »

partiallypro wrote: post #340
ashtonkem wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How Facebook was used against American elections would not work if American democracy was healthy. And of course, once actual crazy people control the government, who is going to install and maintain the guard rails?

There is no real evidence that the Russian campaign on Facebook was effective at all in 2016. I believe the entire campaign wasn't necessarily to effect the outcome, but to sow doubt on the outcome. Putin just wanted chaos. The real poll shift came when Comey made his statement on the Clinton email server within weeks of the election. I'm 100% in favor of Facebook policing things like the "Plandemic" nonsense, but th…

Alas, how do you define neutrality? What happens if Plandemic hypothetically becomes associated with a partisan party? How can Facebook be neutral there?

I agree they should try to be neutral, but I don’t know if neutrality is even possible in a lot of cases.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by bowmessage »

rglover wrote: post #118
bowmessage wrote: post #101

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Why? It’s fine if you don’t derive value from their product, but clearly others do, and if they were to go under something else just as evil, if not more, would immediately take its place. Is it not more worthwhile to fix the issues with society that make Facebook unpleasant?

That's a fools errand for the most part. The underlying issue is human behavior and lack of emotional development/awareness. You can connect any interface to a database and as long as the goal is "look at me" in any form, this will happen, eventually.

Yeah, agreed.. I guess that's what I tried to hit at by saying society but the issues run deeper.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by pdkl95 »

HunOL wrote: post #339
pdkl95 wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google returns lots of results from a variety of sources for that quote: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22when+the+looting+starts%2... As expected, most of the results appear to be about the original use of the phrase in 1967 by the racist police chief of Miami Walter Headley.

That's why I told to select date range before, like 2010-2019.

My link did include a date range:

    &tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A12%2F31%2F2019
    # urldecoded:
    tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:,cd_max:12/31/2019
While I didn't bother specifying cd_min, many results are within your range. From the first page of results from my link above:

(2018) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/08/07...

(2018) https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article1981602.htm...

(2014) https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/156908

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by ogre_codes »

iamstupidsimple wrote: post #333
ogre_codes wrote: post #328

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There have been thousands of protestors out on the streets for nearly a month now. If there were burning buildings and having gunfights in the streets this whole time, there wouldn't be any cities left.

Uhh, have you seen the CHAZ/CHOP? Edit: 38 people shot in half a day in NYC: https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/24-people-shot-in-18-i...

> Uhh, have you seen the CHAZ/CHOP?

Don't live in Seattle so not personally. I do have a people I trust who live there who have been to the center of the "CHAZ" area he it's fine. They haven't even burned down the Police station which would be target number 1 if they were out-of-control.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by iamstupidsimple »

ogre_codes wrote: post #344
iamstupidsimple wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhh, have you seen the CHAZ/CHOP? Edit: 38 people shot in half a day in NYC: https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/24-people-shot-in-18-i...

> Uhh, have you seen the CHAZ/CHOP? Don't live in Seattle so not personally. I do have a people I trust who live there who have been to the center of the "CHAZ" area he it's fine. They haven't even burned down the Police station which would be target number 1 if they were out-of-control.

Three people were recently shot in CHAZ, and it's why loads of protesters left.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by tlear »

Craighead wrote: post #307
gerland wrote: post #305

So no company pays attention to Project Veritas exposing FB for their bias? "Anti-Defamation League" is known for running hit pieces on everyone that does not bend over to the narrative and is actually a defamation organisation. How are people buying this stuff?

No, nobody pays attention to an organized effort to push propaganda. I question the health of anybody who believes in Veritas

Facebook does. They instantly fired HR person who appeared in the most recent video.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by snisarenko »

jMyles wrote: post #287
Reelin wrote: post #196

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It's not "completely decentralized" due to various realities, but federated and self hostable services such as Matrix, Mastodon, and PixelFed should mostly work for use with family and friends at this point.

I am a regular user of Matrix and Mastodon. You've just turned me on to PixelFed.

I built a pixelfed aggregator if you want to discover accounts to follow

https://pixelfed.club

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by thundergolfer »

askafriend wrote: post #27
thundergolfer wrote: post #15

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Business is political. It’s only can appear apolitical if business activity is so in harmony with the political status-quo that political conflict and negotiation is almost wholly absent. Facebook is obviously involved politically, and has been well before 2016. Hell, how many millions do you think they spend on political lobbying? Why do they fill so many of their high-up executive positions with ex-politicians?

> Business is political. It’s only can appear apolitical if business activity is so in harmony with the political status-quo that political conflict and negotiation is almost wholly absent. 100% agree. It's amazing how techy-engineering-types are so unaware of how interdependent systems and institutions in the real world are. Especially given the nature of tech/engineering itself.

To be honest I think it's common for such types to have had essentially no higher education in politics and civics. Saying business is or should be apolitical is such a nonsensical opinion that you'd get laughed out of the room at university.

The dominant political ideology in tech hubs is _so_ dominant that it's usually invisible. Now that big tech is getting challenged political, some people think returning to the status quo would be to free themselves from political involvement.

The work you do 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 40 years is the biggest political thing in your entire life.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by thundergolfer »

throwaway66992 wrote: post #134
askafriend wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All three of those examples are insanely political enterprises. You basically showed your lack of awareness by answering the question.

I think you're intentionally missing the point here. Sure, all business are affected by politics, but in the context of this article, none of these generally limit services based on political ideologies.

No, you don't understand that the following is a massively significant political position:

> [not] limit[ing] services based on political ideologies.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by sillyrabbit67 »

Craighead wrote: post #307
gerland wrote: post #305

So no company pays attention to Project Veritas exposing FB for their bias? "Anti-Defamation League" is known for running hit pieces on everyone that does not bend over to the narrative and is actually a defamation organisation. How are people buying this stuff?

No, nobody pays attention to an organized effort to push propaganda. I question the health of anybody who believes in Veritas

You question the health of anyone who captures video of FB employees admitting bias? So mighty privileged of you.
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