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A New Standard Deal

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Re: A New Standard Deal

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post #61

I know this is HN and jokes are shunned, but you wrote "We do not expect this to be the last time we change the deal" and I can't help but think you missed a golden opportunity to write, "We have altered the deal. Pray we don't alter it any further".

Upvoted, since you told the straight deal.

Re: A New Standard Deal

#72

This is great for YC, not great for YC backed startups. By giving each company $25K less, they can now place bets on 3,000 more companies. Less money for you, less risk for them. I wonder if their success rate has declined as their batch sizes have gotten larger. YC has become less and less attractive to me over the years. Is it just me?

well, they'll be taking on more risk if that money ends up not being enough to support early stage startups. And, it makes the deal even more difficult to swallow for hardtechs/biotechs/moonshots, and potentially making it worse for those companies could decrease diversification opportunities? still a better move for YC than the companies getting funded

Re: A New Standard Deal

#73
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, why would you be interested in YC? What would it offer you? It seems disappointing that YC's value is no longer qualitatively good advice for early-stage founders and a close-knit community of hackers. Maybe I'm just jaded, but it appears increasingly corporatized every year. Sometimes it feels like YC might as well be a certificate — just a stamp of approval that provides access to a network of investo…

> In this case, why would you be interested in YC? What would it offer you? It's a fair point. The irony is that because our startup is doing well, we'd rather spend our time talking to customers and building the product than pitching to investors. Maybe what we're really looking for is a next-gen take on capital that would look something like this: * Minimal time needed by us to reach a decision on whether they'd li…

Curiously, you just listed a lot of good reasons to do YC. Until the last few weeks of the program you will be encouraged to focus on your business except for the Tuesday evening talks and short meetings with the partners. As this is remote you won't even have to waste time traveling to Mountain View from wherever you live.

Then at the end you focus on demo day which I promise you is the most concentrated and efficient way to meet investors and raise a round on the terms you are looking for (caveat being I don't know how it works remote). Then it's back to grinding on the company. The further along you are by demo day the easier and more efficient your raise will be.

Is that worth 7%? Lots of founders think so. In our batch we had a company that had more than $8MM revenue previously that went on to raise millions on an uncapped note that converted really high. Pretty sure it was worth it to them.

Re: A New Standard Deal

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post #64
post #61

I know this is HN and jokes are shunned, but you wrote "We do not expect this to be the last time we change the deal" and I can't help but think you missed a golden opportunity to write, "We have altered the deal. Pray we don't alter it any further".

The disclaimer killed the joke.

Pray someone does not kill the joke further. Whoops...

Re: A New Standard Deal

#76
post #58

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Surely you could set up the spaces so that this could be much less of an issue?

Sure. Those are called "apartments".

Yeah, and then you put a couple of people of the same gender together in them…and now they're basically back to being dorms.

Re: A New Standard Deal

#77

This is great for YC, not great for YC backed startups. By giving each company $25K less, they can now place bets on 3,000 more companies. Less money for you, less risk for them. I wonder if their success rate has declined as their batch sizes have gotten larger. YC has become less and less attractive to me over the years. Is it just me?

You do YC for the network and guaranteed funding post demo day. Getting $125k is inconsequential and has almost no barring on YC’s value to a new startup.

Re: A New Standard Deal

#78

I figured the increase to over 100k is when non-technical people started doing it. They hire people to make their MVP instead of the founders themselves. Or am I wrong about that?

$100K won't buy enough professional services to build, launch, and operate an MVP unless the app is very simple. If it's simple enough that anyone can drop $50K-100K on design services and have your business cloned, it's not a very defensible startup idea. There are occasional exceptions, but typically the founding team must have the majority talent and skills required to launch the MVP.

Please don’t listen to this. You can hire great developers all over the world for far less than $100k.

Using YC’s $125k to hire a few contract engineers to help you reach velocity and deliver a V1 is an incredibly smart move.

Not every YC company is a developer tool or something complex. In fact, looking at the most recent batch I’d say the majority are fairly simple in their technology approaches.

Re: A New Standard Deal

#79

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One of the first things YC partners say to you when you the program starts is: "We are not your employers, we will let you fail." I think that's a core part of how YC works and things like sharing office space or having dorms would degrade that by helping founders to escape some of the responsibilities of their company. For people in YC who are looking for places to work though and want to get out of their apartments…

Employers let employees fail all the time, and when that happens the stop giving them money. When a startup fails VCs stop giving them money. The illusion of autonomy motivates some people, but make make no mistake - when you take VC money you are an employee of that VC firm - with low pay, no benefits, no title, no desk, etc.

This isn't true in the general case. If you found a startup that's profitable, for example, you have genuine autonomy to an extent that you simply couldn't obtain as an employee, no matter how successful.

Re: A New Standard Deal

#80
post #57

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> In this case, why would you be interested in YC? What would it offer you? It's a fair point. The irony is that because our startup is doing well, we'd rather spend our time talking to customers and building the product than pitching to investors. Maybe what we're really looking for is a next-gen take on capital that would look something like this: * Minimal time needed by us to reach a decision on whether they'd li…

Those all sound like reasons to apply to YC. :) We've funded a good number of companies at this point that were farther along when they applied and had millions in revenue (MessageBird, for example, who was just on HN a couple days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23624854 ). I recommend reaching out to some of those alum and talking to them about their experience.

Happy to chat ;)
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