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Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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One more reason why I prefer Google Play. The recommendations are based off a single station. If you start a new station it starts from scratch.

Am I the only one that received an email from Google telling me that Google Play music was going to close soon and that I should transfer my playlists?

You really need to manually transfer the playlists? That's pretty retarded. And does this also mean that in order to do so I need a subscription to both?

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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Spotify's discovery playlist is a double edged sword. My account is permanently screwed because I decided to listen to a lot of rain sounds when going to sleep for a few months while I had a puppy. Now ALL I get for recommendations are calm sounds. I don't actually listen to these during the day, I want my old stuff. I hate it and want to reset the discovery playlist, but seems I have no way of doing so aside from ge…

LOL! Same shoe; I cannot escape the piano and other instrumentals I played during my wife's pregnancy months. I'm almost at a point of surrender that maybe my time with Deep House and Electronic music has reached an end. The Discovery Weekly was my only way of finding hot indie talent in the electronics world.

There’s 6 more ‘playlist for you’ things now with music/artists that you’ve listened to over different genres, maybe those can help?

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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Spotify's discovery playlist is a double edged sword. My account is permanently screwed because I decided to listen to a lot of rain sounds when going to sleep for a few months while I had a puppy. Now ALL I get for recommendations are calm sounds. I don't actually listen to these during the day, I want my old stuff. I hate it and want to reset the discovery playlist, but seems I have no way of doing so aside from ge…

Same. My whole family uses my account, and now that I have kids, all I get are Disney music and Baby Shark knockoffs.

They have a "family" mode where you can get six subs account. Unless you really like baby shark ;)

https://www.spotify.com/us/family/

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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Fair enough. Have you tried Pandora's for an extended period and are able to compare? For me, Spotify ended up just playing the same artist, same album even, over and over. Same problem with their Shuffle feature - I could have a playlist with 500 songs from various artists, albums, genres and more... but I'd get the same artist, same album back to back to back far too often. So often, it didn't feel random at all. J…

They are random! It's just that what is random in a mathematical sense isn't random to a human. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_clumping The best song randomizer I've seen described generates a permutation of songs, then "plots" them in n dimensional space with closeness being closeness being a weighted distance of closeness in the playlist and whatever metadata…

True. It's just that I don't think I've ever experienced Spotify's take on Shuffle anywhere else before, so it's shocking and frustrating, leading to a lot of "next, next, next" skipping.

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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It's sad to admit but there are enough musicians in the world. The reason wages for musicians is so low is that there are already countless professional musicians making music in every style.

Maybe, but I think it could be better if Spotify paid artists per listen instead of just paying them for being popular. Also Spotify is definitely missing a lot of obscure music and there definitely aren’t enough live musicians. Otherwise I could afford to have a good band play live in my living room every Sunday morning.

Yes, I don't think Spotify is the optimal conclusion of the music industry.

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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65,000 listeners a month – $800 in revenue. 1.23 cents per listener per month. That works out to 14.7 cents per year. To earn a modest $50,000, you would need ~360,000 monthly listeners. This doesn't seem sustainable without outside sources of revenue.

Correct, this is why bands tour and sell shirts and other merch, and for most, work second jobs. As an anecdote, friend of mine is in two or three bands at any given time and bartends most nights he’s not playing shows. Spotify makes it easier than ever for an artist to get their work out there, which is great, but it’s similar to the publishing world, where most authors who self publish do so into the void.

The truth about bands is that they are basically T-Shirt companies.

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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Fair enough. Have you tried Pandora's for an extended period and are able to compare? For me, Spotify ended up just playing the same artist, same album even, over and over. Same problem with their Shuffle feature - I could have a playlist with 500 songs from various artists, albums, genres and more... but I'd get the same artist, same album back to back to back far too often. So often, it didn't feel random at all. J…

They are random! It's just that what is random in a mathematical sense isn't random to a human. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_clumping The best song randomizer I've seen described generates a permutation of songs, then "plots" them in n dimensional space with closeness being closeness being a weighted distance of closeness in the playlist and whatever metadata…

And they wrote a blog about it in 2014: https://engineering.atspotify.com/2014/02/28/how-to-shuffle-...

Interesting stuff!

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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Yes I wish there was a button to reset or stir the pot a bit. Or maybe pay more attention to your more recent playlists. Or discount listens to songs that were recommended to you (to break the feedback loop).

On the point of the feedback loop, if we picture musical preferences as a mountain, with most-listened to stuff at the peak, I've been wondering what would happen if these algorithms (particularly Youtube's and Deezer's, but Spotify's a bit as well) would slide the mountain a little farther down instead of optimizing for the peak. So to over-simplify, something like instead of saying "You just listened to an RPG soun…

I agree, but I also suspect that this falls into the gap between what people say they want and what they actually do. Netflix used to have a huge library of classic and foreign films, but no one was watching them. The monotony of spotify’s recommendations is itself probably a sign that when most people get something surprising they hit skip.

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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YES! I played Daddy Yankee's Gasolina at a party once as kind of a joke and for weeks my Discover Weekly was filled with Spanish music. I wish they had a 'stealth' mode or at least an option to reset your tastes.

Private session?

Unfortunately, it will silently turn un-private after only six hours, so you need to be on top of that, lest you end up in the same boat. I learned this the hard way while listening to focus/study music all day at work.
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