Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. first
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Re: Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. first
#2I wish anonymous metadata and source code was open! This kind of software has potential to positively impact society but not when it cannot be freely audited and debated by the public empowered to vote for changes to it.
I suspect there is a storm brewing with proprietary government software. Social services like child endangerment checkups, child placements, etc. sentencing recommendations, as mentioned predictive policing, watchdog/oversight departments , and so much more!
These tools can empower us or enslave us and a big step toward empowerment is the open source community to push for open source and open data for software augmented government functions!
Re: Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. first
#3Honest question here.
Are these neighborhoods “over policed” because their residents commit more crimes, or do the residents commit more crimes because their neighborhood is “over policed”?
Re: Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. first
#4I wish anonymous metadata and source code was open! This kind of software has potential to positively impact society but not when it cannot be freely audited and debated by the public empowered to vote for changes to it. I suspect there is a storm brewing with proprietary government software. Social services like child endangerment checkups, child placements, etc. sentencing recommendations, as mentioned predictive p…
It is very difficult to make policing metadata truly anonymous.
Source code makes sense, for sure.
Re: Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. first
#5I wish anonymous metadata and source code was open! This kind of software has potential to positively impact society but not when it cannot be freely audited and debated by the public empowered to vote for changes to it. I suspect there is a storm brewing with proprietary government software. Social services like child endangerment checkups, child placements, etc. sentencing recommendations, as mentioned predictive p…
If we had access to granular data like this, wouldn't it lead to further gentrification and a further rift within a society?
Re: Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. first
#6Honest question here. Are these neighborhoods “over policed” because their residents commit more crimes, or do the residents commit more crimes because their neighborhood is “over policed”?
Only one answer is socially acceptable, regardless of what statistics indicate. And we are building a dangerous world by going down this unscientific path.
I am genuinely concerned that this will bleed into ML science and we may find ourselves collectively pursuing a rabbit hole of bad science in a vain attempt to reconcile empirical data with ideology.
Re: Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. first
#7Honest question here. Are these neighborhoods “over policed” because their residents commit more crimes, or do the residents commit more crimes because their neighborhood is “over policed”?
I would argue that non-white neighborhoods are policed heavier, and as a consequence they "catch more criminals" in those neighborhoods.
Re: Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. first
#8Honest question here. Are these neighborhoods “over policed” because their residents commit more crimes, or do the residents commit more crimes because their neighborhood is “over policed”?
or crime is a function of income inequality, and ways to fight it are police (reactive) or preventative social spending (proactive.) it's like arguing over fire departments vs electrical code. neglecting the latter leads to more of the former.
Even things like urban planning, where you put your low income housing. If you build low income housing in high income areas, it prevents ghettos from forming.
Re: Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. first
#9I wish anonymous metadata and source code was open! This kind of software has potential to positively impact society but not when it cannot be freely audited and debated by the public empowered to vote for changes to it. I suspect there is a storm brewing with proprietary government software. Social services like child endangerment checkups, child placements, etc. sentencing recommendations, as mentioned predictive p…
I'm really torn on this issue because as a data-scientist I'm all in but knowing the potential for abuse here or just "damage" when a minority group is injured. They wouldn't have the financial resources to fight back. Further, we KNOW law enforcement uses these systems to gain access and abuse rights. K9s are a good example. The police can't search your car without a warrant but if a K9 'signals' then they can search all they want. None of the false positive hit rates of the K9s are auditable so if they're just using the K9 to search anyone's car then they've basically use a 'clever hans' to bypass the 4th amendment.
Re: Santa Cruz, California bans predictive policing in U.S. first
#10Honest question here. Are these neighborhoods “over policed” because their residents commit more crimes, or do the residents commit more crimes because their neighborhood is “over policed”?
Only one answer is socially acceptable, regardless of what statistics indicate. And we are building a dangerous world by going down this unscientific path. I am genuinely concerned that this will bleed into ML science and we may find ourselves collectively pursuing a rabbit hole of bad science in a vain attempt to reconcile empirical data with ideology.
Only 13 percent of the population, you say?