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Relax for the Same Result (2015)

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Re: Relax for the Same Result (2015)

#11
Totally analogous to every single self-styled agile software development environment I've ever worked in.

People pushing themselves to the breaking point when they could get better results by just stopping whatever they're doing and take the week off.

Re: Relax for the Same Result (2015)

#12
This is very similar to the Pareto principle : 80% of the highest result is obtained through 20% of the highest effort. To get to 100% of the highest result you will have to deliver four times more effort.

Most of the time, 80% is good enough. Save your resources for other endeavors.

Re: Relax for the Same Result (2015)

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post #11

Totally analogous to every single self-styled agile software development environment I've ever worked in. People pushing themselves to the breaking point when they could get better results by just stopping whatever they're doing and take the week off.

Last 10% of bug fixed, 90% of total effort. I'm with you. This COVID-19 thing has changed my perspective on work, (although I'm not so sure about my employer's.) We're split into A/B team, one week in, one week out. I really happy, probably the first time in my working life I've achieved the nominal "work/life balance". The office feels more productive, I'm more productive, fewer people making ad-hoc demands on my time. The project is more focused if you make allowance for some handoff gaps. I'm not completely destroyed on Friday evenings, and if I am, I have a week to recover. I look forward to my ON week Mondays, I have had a week to think about what I could/should do. Really, if this continues with some adjustment, I think it would be the perfect cadence.

Re: Relax for the Same Result (2015)

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For engine powered stuff when you relax you get better results. Every time I try to push for lap times on the track I end up exhausted after 20 minutes with worse times, inconsistent laps, plenty of oh shit close moments and most importantly I don't enjoy myself. Instead when I relax, focus on riding with good technique I end up with faster times. But of course the temptation to push is huge, especially if you can't…

Same with downhill mountain biking. If you are relaxed, you are loose, and you flow smoothly which is fast. If you push too hard, you get caught out by dozens of little things you weren't expecting because you are in new territory and that slows you down.

There is a time to push though, in order to move your abilities further and get familiar with the aforementioned edges of your abilities. But race day is not the right time.

On your last paragraph, that happens to me all the time. A week of practice practice and can't do it, put the bike away for a week and then I can do it first try. I think of it as a limitation on how quickly we can change and update our muscle memory, reflexes and intuition.

Re: Relax for the Same Result (2015)

#16

Riding a bike works like that. 2-3 minutes is a huge difference in terms of power output required. Headwinds can sap your power. Going slightly above your average feels like a headwind. A coach potato like me can output about a hundred watts on a good day so if you have money to spare and want to go faster, buy upgrades. 3 watts here, 2 watts there and you are at +10% ;)

Wait, so you're telling me "don't buy upgrades, ride up grades" is a lie?

I am joking, of course, but I think you're completely right in that for beginners, a small investment in upgrades (or even just a good solid bike) pays for itself in huge boosts of performance.

Of course, after that, then buying more and better things is just bad for your wallet ;)

Re: Relax for the Same Result (2015)

#17

Riding a bike works like that. 2-3 minutes is a huge difference in terms of power output required. Headwinds can sap your power. Going slightly above your average feels like a headwind. A coach potato like me can output about a hundred watts on a good day so if you have money to spare and want to go faster, buy upgrades. 3 watts here, 2 watts there and you are at +10% ;)

Wait, so you're telling me "don't buy upgrades, ride up grades" is a lie? I am joking, of course, but I think you're completely right in that for beginners, a small investment in upgrades (or even just a good solid bike) pays for itself in huge boosts of performance. Of course, after that, then buying more and better things is just bad for your wallet ;)

I took up biking as an adult again by biking with rental bikes in Mexico City (government owned) and they are built like tanks for durability, not for riding pleasure.

When I finally got on a "real" bike, I flew. I was much faster and agile than my bike-riding friends. Because I couldn't upgrade the bike, I had to upgrade myself, and these investments are compatible with any kind of bike (or sport, actually).

Re: Relax for the Same Result (2015)

#18
For many physical efforts, overpacing and poor form can both rob you of results. In particular, exceeding your aerobic threshold for any period of time will require recovery time --- you can pull this off at the end of a ride or in a critical effort (breakaway, hill ascent) where you'll get a chance to recover afterwards, but full on and you're simply sabotaging yourself. Perceived effort is a very poor guide. In some activities there's a very real risk of acute or chronic-overuse injury as well.

John Cleese talks of a similar concept in creative activity, learned from a screenwriter who'd worked with Alfred Hitchcock:

When we came up against a block and our discussions became very heated and intense, Hitchcock would suddenly stop and tell a story that had nothing to do with the work at hand.

At first, I was almost outraged, and then I discovered that he did this intentionally. He mistrusted working under pressure. He would say, “We're pressing, we're pressing, we're working too hard. Relax, it will come.” And, says the writer, of course it finally always did.

https://www.conversationagent.com/2012/04/lesson-in-creativi...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bC-gBeQYHls&t=3m25s

Re: Relax for the Same Result (2015)

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post #7

This only worked because his relaxed pace/speed was fast and built up by MONTHS of intense training first . He would not have had that time if he had gone at the relaxing pace the entire time he spent training. Relaxation is good, no doubt. But there is a time and place for, as they say, "going hard in the paint". Building muscle and associated stamina is one of those times. This is a perfect example of why experimen…

I’m not disputing your comment, but still I agree with the gist of the article. My four year old son recently learned to ride a bike (in The Netherlands) so naturally he now wants to cycle everywhere himself.

So instead of putting him in his seat and cycling to the store myself (20 km/h) we now cycle side by side (10 km/h) to the store. It takes exactly 5 minutes longer single trip, and it doesn’t matter a bit.

If you really depend on achieving 100% vs. 90%, and it takes a ton of stress to get to 100%, it might be time to change habits/goals/employer.

Re: Relax for the Same Result (2015)

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post #7

This only worked because his relaxed pace/speed was fast and built up by MONTHS of intense training first . He would not have had that time if he had gone at the relaxing pace the entire time he spent training. Relaxation is good, no doubt. But there is a time and place for, as they say, "going hard in the paint". Building muscle and associated stamina is one of those times. This is a perfect example of why experimen…

I’m not disputing your comment, but still I agree with the gist of the article. My four year old son recently learned to ride a bike (in The Netherlands) so naturally he now wants to cycle everywhere himself. So instead of putting him in his seat and cycling to the store myself (20 km/h) we now cycle side by side (10 km/h) to the store. It takes exactly 5 minutes longer single trip, and it doesn’t matter a bit. If yo…

I’m not disputing your comment either, but in startupland the difference between 90% and 100% is often the difference between dead and alive.
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