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Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by raxxorrax »

SandersAK wrote: post #53

Many of the comments in this thread do not understand the concept of free speech from a legal perspective. Free speech does not mean that you have the right to say or distribute whatever you want on whatever platform, owned by a private corporation you want. on a side note - these are super dog whistle comments, and I'm surprised the mods are ok with them.

I understand that very well. There was an understanding how it was handled on the net. That is why got legislation like removing platforms for the content of users. It was necessary to allow interesting content to flourish.

All that is now getting thrown out because some don't like a free net with diverse opinions. And yes, some of those are really shit. Life is hard.

It is the other way around, that people citing this legal fact don't understand the mechanisms that made the net as a whole workable for the largest amount of people, not just rich kids from prestigious universities without real life goals.

There are also people that understand the social contract of free speech and those that do not.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by gadders »

partiallypro wrote: post #54

I really don't understand this protest at all. If they really care about this, why aren't they pulling from YouTube and Google? Which has very very bad comment sections? I'm not for big corporations calling for people to police speech. Patagonia boycotted Facebook, but they have 13 factories in China...a country with concentration camps for Muslims and political prisoners. A lot of corporate good will falls on deaf e…

It's a well known left wing ploy. Look at Media Matters for example. They try to shut down speech they disagree with politically by affecting the broadcaster or the platform economically.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by im3w1l »

xenadu02 wrote: post #243
Thorentis wrote: post #144

> Private company tells other private company which speech they should be censoring Welcome to the new era of information folks. You thought private companies were too powerful before, well, guess what? You've now given them the power to control almost all forms of communication. "But, but, private companies should be able to decide who they want on their platform! What about the free market?" Wake the hell up. Read…

What, exactly, is your alternative here? The government forces me to fund speech I hate? Facebook is not allowed to ban literal NAZIs? A mandated minimum ad spend for all TV programs? I can’t understand the supposed end-game for this idea that no one is allowed to moderate speech on private property.

> The government forces me to fund speech I hate?

That's school for ya.

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Post by schuyler2d »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #180
hedora wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hitler didn’t have much of a web presence, and I guess whatever’s left of the Nazi party hasn’t set one up. However, people have scanned some of the nazi propaganda: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badg... Also, at least when I was a kid, public grade schools covered WWII, and taught us about the triangles. Here’s a story from the history channel: https://www.history.com/news/pink-triangle-naz…

I'm from the US. We surely covered WWII. I don't recall triangles at all. That doesn't mean it wasn't covered, I do remember the star of David looking badges to mark Jews, which is technically two triangles. I could be wrong, but Trump doesn't strike me as the kind of person watching a lot of the history channel. Or reading history books. Or reading anything at all really. I feel like I'm being asked to believe that…

Trump's audience when he talks about what he does for Black people are "moderate" whites that want to believe Trump isn't racist. He is though, he retweets white supremacist memes regularly and says them in speeches.

He also hires lots of white supremacists both in government and for his campaign work. Some of them have a lot more interest in the history than Trump does.

Look up Stephen Miller. Whether it was Miller specifically-- campaigns have a lot of staff. None of this stuff is conceived and directed by a single person.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by gerland »

So no company pays attention to Project Veritas exposing FB for their bias? "Anti-Defamation League" is known for running hit pieces on everyone that does not bend over to the narrative and is actually a defamation organisation. How are people buying this stuff?

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by fsflover »

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #245
hedora wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other news, the US has been downgraded to “flawed democracy” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

By The Economist, so it means nothing.

What's wrong with The Economist? Whom do you trust?

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by Craighead »

gerland wrote: post #305

So no company pays attention to Project Veritas exposing FB for their bias? "Anti-Defamation League" is known for running hit pieces on everyone that does not bend over to the narrative and is actually a defamation organisation. How are people buying this stuff?

No, nobody pays attention to an organized effort to push propaganda. I question the health of anybody who believes in Veritas

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by allarm »

intopieces wrote: post #213
allarm wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accusing Facebook in that it’s like accusing sugar companies in diabetes. Not saying the problem doesn’t exist, but maybe they just abuse Facebook? I’m spending around 10 minutes a week in my fb account, checking on friends and family, that’s mostly enough. What stops you from doing the same?

Some books you might benefit from reading on this topic: “Salt, Sugar, Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us” “The Attention Merchants” by Tim Wu

Thanks for the recommendation!

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by allarm »

jessaustin wrote: post #219
allarm wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accusing Facebook in that it’s like accusing sugar companies in diabetes. Not saying the problem doesn’t exist, but maybe they just abuse Facebook? I’m spending around 10 minutes a week in my fb account, checking on friends and family, that’s mostly enough. What stops you from doing the same?

I spend zero minutes a year on FB. I still recognize that it harms those who do use it.

It’s just a tool. Don’t use it to harm yourself and you’ll be fine.
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