Symbian Won

Post by nradov » Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 4:35 AM UTC

speeder wrote: post #197

secondcoming wrote: post #60

I used work for Symbian. The OS itself was great at the time (it's open sourced somewhere), and got security correct (I don't recall 'privacy' ever being an explicit goal) but it was an absolute bitch to develop for. It had its own dialect of C++ which looks nothing like modern C++, the learning curve was huge. It tried really hard to have an app ecosystem but it was nothing like what google and apple have today. Net…

I am Brazillian, and I think killing Symbian was a huge and stupid mistake. When Microsoft release that memo that killed Symbian, in Brazil its marketshare was INCREASING, there was a lot of people learning how to code for it, many people saw it as a good future, because with it you could make blazing fast CHEAP phones, iPhones were crazy expensive, and android was a slow buggy mess. Thing is... iPhones are STILL cra…

Post by nradov » Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 4:43 AM UTC

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #177

pistoriusp wrote: post #169

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The J2ME world never really felt easy to me: What worked on 1 device didn't on another, there was very limited shared UI, and it felt like it was impossible to target multiple devices.

There were MIDP profiles[1] as long the version matched, the apps worked fine in my experience on any device although the devices themselves varied in their key pad placements; Nokia went crazy in their phone designs[2]! [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Information_Device_Prof... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOZi-7V11k8

Post by pjmlp » Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 6:46 AM UTC

app4soft wrote: post #226

foobarian wrote: post #219

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Reading around on the Internet a bit I came upon this [1] which indicates Nokia's leadership was less engineering-driven than I thought. [1] https://knowledge.insead.edu/strategy/who-killed-nokia-nokia...

> Nokia's leadership was Stephen Elop , Nokia President & CEO since September 2010.[0,1,2,3,4,5] Since 2011 Symbian & Nokia starts its degradation under Elop 's "leadership". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop#CEO_of_Nokia [1] https://www.europeanceo.com/profile/stephen-elop [2] https://www.smartcompany.com.au/business-advice/strategy/how... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/08/nokia-ste…

Post by pjmlp » Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 7:18 AM UTC

kllrnohj wrote: post #168

secondcoming wrote: post #158

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No STL No std::string Custom exceptions (no explicit try...catch, I think only ints could be 'thrown') 2-phase construction for C-classes. Explicit lifetime management (to be fair RAII wasn't a thing in 'normal' C++ at the time either) Link by ordinal One interesting thing was that there were mandated, and strictly enforced, naming conventions and coding style. For example, above I mentioned C-classes. You had to use…

> (to be fair RAII wasn't a thing in 'normal' C++ at the time either) RAII in C++ dates back to 1984-1989, and Strousop wrote about it in his 1994 book Design and Evolution of C++. And C++98 had auto_ptr . Symbian's release in 1997 means it had a weird timing relationship with C++ standardization, but RAII was still enough of a thing at the time to be in that very first standardized STL release.

Post by gus_ » Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 8:13 AM UTC

qwerty456127 wrote: post #48

Fnoord wrote: post #36

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A personal firewall is nothing more or less than a layer-7 firewall which rules you can (somehow) manage as user you are logged in with, with a nice GUI. There is Open Snitch [1] (plus forks/patches) for Linux, if you're after such. [1] https://www.opensnitch.io

The page you have linked to won't even open. I have witnessed a number of attempts to replicate LittleSnitch on Linux, none of them went far enough to anything near a usable product quality. You need to implement at least some functionality on the kernel level (what LitleSnitch does with a kernel extension) for this, most of the people who care about desktop apps on Linux (me included) lack kernel developer skills.