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Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by Spooky23 »

cwhiz wrote: post #41

We want Facebook to censor speech on Facebook! But oh not all speech just some speech that we don’t like. Only we are allowed to define the type of speech we don’t like. And we reserve the right to change at any time. So, please just censor speech that we don’t like. On this day. At this hour. At this minute. And next minute we’ll tell you what to censor next.

You have the freedom to speak. You don’t have the right to be heard.

Publishers have freedom of speech too. Nobody forces the NY Post to provide a column for Obama.

Facebook attempts to downplay its editorial role in pushing garbage.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by jariel »

crazygringo wrote: post #112
cwhiz wrote: post #41

We want Facebook to censor speech on Facebook! But oh not all speech just some speech that we don’t like. Only we are allowed to define the type of speech we don’t like. And we reserve the right to change at any time. So, please just censor speech that we don’t like. On this day. At this hour. At this minute. And next minute we’ll tell you what to censor next.

Hate speech is widely viewed as a legitimate exception to free expression, along with other classic examples of things like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. Not by every country to be sure, but by many democracies. You're portraying this as some kind of whim that changes with people's moods, but that's a complete, total, 100% straw man. There are decades of legislation and jurisprudence, particularly in Europ…

Yes, but the issue is whether or not a lot of this speech constitutes 'hate speech'.

Do jokes about 'The French' constitute hate speech? What if it's only a joke about Macron's 'stereotypical' French action? Or not even a joke? What if the target is Chinese?

It's a minefield and we need a map, aka rules, and FB alone cannot make them. Either industry gets together, or we have some sane regulation, or we live through this insufferable toxic pop-culture corp-on-corp virtue signalling, protesting, 'my cause is the cause' cold war.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by allarm »

seppin wrote: post #74
cwhiz wrote: post #41

We want Facebook to censor speech on Facebook! But oh not all speech just some speech that we don’t like. Only we are allowed to define the type of speech we don’t like. And we reserve the right to change at any time. So, please just censor speech that we don’t like. On this day. At this hour. At this minute. And next minute we’ll tell you what to censor next.

Speech that leads to violence, how about starting with that?

Literally anything can lead to violence. It’s just a matter of interpretation. How about stopping with the censorship and fighting with the violence itself?

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by jariel »

So when Nike boycotts Verizon because some ugly site uses Verizon internet services ... and wants Verizon to stop allowing XYZ-speech on their network ... what then?

FYI this is mostly not executive fighting - this is PR and Comms firms literally duking it out.

And often they are the same comms firms.

Literally interns from Edelman NY with client A giving bullets to their client to fire at company B who's PR firm is ... Edelman LA, where some douche intern has to configure a response.

We should put the PR firms in their own echo chamber and let them sort it out.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by treis »

slg wrote: post #76

For all the people mentioning the free speech ramifications, I would like to point to the recommendations from the group leading this boycott[1]. It doesn't seem like any of this is related to free speech. They are asking for extra moderation and support. They also are asking for Facebook to stop profiting from hate speech and misinformation, but they stop short of asking for changes to any policy regarding the remov…

>This pipeline must include experts on various forms of identity-based hate.

I wonder where Facebook could possibly find those experts....

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by pnako »

crazygringo wrote: post #112
cwhiz wrote: post #41

We want Facebook to censor speech on Facebook! But oh not all speech just some speech that we don’t like. Only we are allowed to define the type of speech we don’t like. And we reserve the right to change at any time. So, please just censor speech that we don’t like. On this day. At this hour. At this minute. And next minute we’ll tell you what to censor next.

Hate speech is widely viewed as a legitimate exception to free expression, along with other classic examples of things like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. Not by every country to be sure, but by many democracies. You're portraying this as some kind of whim that changes with people's moods, but that's a complete, total, 100% straw man. There are decades of legislation and jurisprudence, particularly in Europ…

Everything is being redefined as hate speech, so that's a moot point.

"White lives matter" and "it's OK to be white" are not remotely hate speech, yet those sentences are being treated as being "white supremacist" stuff now.

The laws in Europe are 1) not that great and 2) won't work in the US thanks to the 1st amendment.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by ergocoder »

crazygringo wrote: post #112
cwhiz wrote: post #41

We want Facebook to censor speech on Facebook! But oh not all speech just some speech that we don’t like. Only we are allowed to define the type of speech we don’t like. And we reserve the right to change at any time. So, please just censor speech that we don’t like. On this day. At this hour. At this minute. And next minute we’ll tell you what to censor next.

Hate speech is widely viewed as a legitimate exception to free expression, along with other classic examples of things like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. Not by every country to be sure, but by many democracies. You're portraying this as some kind of whim that changes with people's moods, but that's a complete, total, 100% straw man. There are decades of legislation and jurisprudence, particularly in Europ…

Then, can we get the court to order the take down since thes bad posts are obviously illegal?

I'm not sure why we let Facebook make these judgement, instead of a proper legal due process.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by rectang »

seph-reed wrote: post #145
rectang wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it impossible that Verizon is responding, at least in part, to public pressure against Facebook?

Sometimes things or people change. Something or someone that would have taken advantage of you before, learns its lesson and becomes trustworthy. When it comes to things that you are bigger than, things which you can stop if need be, giving second chances is noble. But when it comes to things that are bigger than you, things you can't change at all, one chance is all they should ever get. Verizon does not "respond [.…

Regardless of motivation, Verizon has clearly made a visible public action, which is what I was talking about and what speaks to the efficacy of the activist campaign against Facebook.
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