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Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by postnihilism »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #96
hedora wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump did more than you suggest. He used well understood language (“when the looting starts the shooting starts” is a famous quote from a white supremacist) to encourage his supporters to murder/lynch blacks. His campaign eventually started using Nazi imagery suggesting various opposition groups and protestors should be sent to concentration camps. Facebook pulled the ad. Around the same time, he used Twitter to (suc…

I think you're giving Trump too much credit. I find it difficult to believe Trump is highly educated about anything, much less esoteric quotes and symbols used by dead racist people.

You think his marketing team randomly chose from a selection of polygons to run as the primary image on a national ad campaign? The Trump administration loves their dog whistles.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by crazygringo »

cwhiz wrote: post #41

We want Facebook to censor speech on Facebook! But oh not all speech just some speech that we don’t like. Only we are allowed to define the type of speech we don’t like. And we reserve the right to change at any time. So, please just censor speech that we don’t like. On this day. At this hour. At this minute. And next minute we’ll tell you what to censor next.

Hate speech is widely viewed as a legitimate exception to free expression, along with other classic examples of things like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. Not by every country to be sure, but by many democracies.

You're portraying this as some kind of whim that changes with people's moods, but that's a complete, total, 100% straw man. There are decades of legislation and jurisprudence, particularly in Europe, that can be used to define hate speech in a stable way.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by caseyohara »

jMyles wrote: post #103

Increasingly, I just want a completely decentralized social networking toolchain, where people can subscribe to the moderation and filtration they like, and nothing can be universally censored.

But what happens when the moderation and filtration mechanisms are inevitably corrupted?

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by fumar »

solidasparagus wrote: post #100
fumar wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For YouTube – that happened last year. Major agencies and corporations paused their YT spend. I wasn’t clear as I’m on mobile. You can search “YouTube advertiser boycott.”

I thought the 2019 YT boycott was driven by the fact that YT kept showing ads next to content where pedophiles were commenting.[1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/20/technology/youtube-pedoph...

It was caused by insufficient brand safety levers for advertisers on YT. I was providing an example where advertisers paused spend to show the importance of their beliefs.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

throwawaysea wrote: post #64
OpieCunningham wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Time is money” is a cliche, not a fact. There are plenty of people who have lots of money but didn’t spend commensurate time getting it, as there are plenty of people who spend inordinate amounts of time making little money.

Sure. You can earn more money per unit of time by creating greater value for others. But my point is that saying "political spending is bad" doesn't make sense. Everyone is expending unequal efforts in different facets of their life. If I am busy keeping my small business afloat and can't afford to put in the kind of time a dedicated activist puts into organizing, I think I should still be able to use what resources…

Is it really that difficult for you to understand that being a squilloraire gives you the ability to politically out-maneuver almost-everyone-who-isn't?

What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to perform to disregard the tone of this particular global conversation?

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by kingaillas »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #96
hedora wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump did more than you suggest. He used well understood language (“when the looting starts the shooting starts” is a famous quote from a white supremacist) to encourage his supporters to murder/lynch blacks. His campaign eventually started using Nazi imagery suggesting various opposition groups and protestors should be sent to concentration camps. Facebook pulled the ad. Around the same time, he used Twitter to (suc…

I think you're giving Trump too much credit. I find it difficult to believe Trump is highly educated about anything, much less esoteric quotes and symbols used by dead racist people.

Perhaps it is giving Trump too much credit - the actual blame likely lies with the team running his campaign. All the same, it seems strangely coincidental that he keeps on stumbling into racist material and symbolism.

I mean yeah, it was just a coincidence he restarted his rallies on Juneteenth in Tulsa, OK, that he then moved under pressure/outcry. Also a coincidence he used a quote from a racist police chief, and also a coincidence he used a nazi triangle. I mean, sure, it is possible this is all just happenstance.

If in the future he starts talking about campaign bliztkriegs and having his voters celebrating at crystal night parties and his campaign printing "I voted" stickers of dancing people that look like Jim Crow, and then proceed to claim ignorance, just another 3 crazy coincidences, I'm gonna call bullshit all the same.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by rglover »

bowmessage wrote: post #101
PascLeRasc wrote: post #66

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That's a good start! But what we really want is for Facebook to go out of business.

Why? It’s fine if you don’t derive value from their product, but clearly others do, and if they were to go under something else just as evil, if not more, would immediately take its place. Is it not more worthwhile to fix the issues with society that make Facebook unpleasant?

That's a fools errand for the most part. The underlying issue is human behavior and lack of emotional development/awareness. You can connect any interface to a database and as long as the goal is "look at me" in any form, this will happen, eventually.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by ragona »

rectang wrote: post #46
chris_wot wrote: post #32

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The timing is quite suspicious.

I am as cynical about the behavior of large corporations as anyone. But you can never really know anybody's motivations, only guess them from their actions. Verizon could be doing it because of ad budgeting reasons. Verizon could be doing it because of public pressure. Most likely, both benefits go into their cost-benefit analysis.

Exactly, it’s always both. These conversations always suppose a degree of coordination and agreement I’ve never seen at a large corporation.

Re: Verizon suspends advertising on Facebook, joins growing boycott

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Post by hedora »

SandersAK wrote: post #53

Many of the comments in this thread do not understand the concept of free speech from a legal perspective. Free speech does not mean that you have the right to say or distribute whatever you want on whatever platform, owned by a private corporation you want. on a side note - these are super dog whistle comments, and I'm surprised the mods are ok with them.

Inciting violence is illegal speech. Facebook is giving the president a platform for his illegal speech.

The courts (and the senate) are not going to enforce the law, so as a society we are duty bound to take whatever legal actions we can to correct the situation.

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