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Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by colinmhayes »

haram_masala wrote: post #209
walrus01 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a completely illogical approach. An armored convoy stands out like a sore thumb in Rawalpindi. An ordinary slightly beat up, 6-8 year old Suzuki Bolan does not. Maybe send out a few decoy high security vehicles with uniformed crews going in a few different directions, and then send out the Bolan going elsewhere. Bolan: https://www.google.com/search?q=suzuki+bolan&client=ubuntu&h...

If an armored convoy is not enough to protect your nuclear weapons, then you have an entirely different problem that needs solving first.

Might be true, but that won't stop Pakistan from developing nuclear weapons.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

seesawtron wrote: post #39

On a smaller but more widespread scale is the issue of fake licenses for driving automobiles. It is common knowledge how you can get these licenses easily in "some" (similar) countries without ever giving a driving test and/or going through any sort of written exam where you have to go through the rules of the road. Some argue that they are only endangering their own lives on the road but one can see how that is comp…

For what it is worth, the driving license process has become much more legitimized over the last decade. It is still a total farce, in the sense that the test is a complete joke. But at least most people are going through the legal process rather than paying someone off.

This was cleverly achieved by the state disrupting the "bribery" market at all these govt offices. You used to pay this dude 5000 Rupees to fast track your license, how about you pay us Rs. 5000 officially, and we will fast track it for you. Before you paid Rs. 10,000 to the guy to get your document without leaving your house, how about you order the document on our website, pay Rs. 10,000 and we will courier it to you.

Its really impressive how much of an impact this has made. We still have a long way to go, but things get better every year.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by jessermeyer »

m3h wrote: post #208
jessermeyer wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pilot was reportedly well seasoned. I have my doubts about the quality of the report given the incredible mishandling of the situation. "Imran Narejo, an official of the PIA Pilots Association, said Gul was a seasoned pilot with 18,000 hours of experience including over 4,000 hours in the A320." https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/05/9616e4079ce1-at-l...

In Pakistan, there is a culture of becoming overconfident and ignorant of the rules in the airline industry as the pilots age. This was also noted by the Aviation minister when he presented the PIA crash report to the assembly. It should be noted that two of the previous large crashes involving an Airblue and a Bhoja airplane were both concluded to be pilot error with the report pointing to overconfidence and negativ…

Ignorant of ... lowering the landing gears to land? It's just astonishing.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by mav3rick »

netsharc wrote: post #171
mav3rick wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the stereotyping of the entire "East" as one incompetent shit hole. The last I checked infrastructure in the US is crumbling. Each new thing also costs an insane bloated amount leading to a refusal to build new infrastructure altogether. Being in the west doesn't guarantee many things and being in the east doesn't either.

To add to your voice, sure, the "west" may have the reputation of good engineering, and the "east" have one of "shoddy slap-bang it all together", but one needs to keep up the vigilance to maintain a good reputation. Just to make you think about western engineering and oversight, here's one word: 737MAX.

My point was to judge on a case by case basis. If we don't do that, how can we expect the common layman to.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by ceejayoz »

haram_masala wrote: post #209
walrus01 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a completely illogical approach. An armored convoy stands out like a sore thumb in Rawalpindi. An ordinary slightly beat up, 6-8 year old Suzuki Bolan does not. Maybe send out a few decoy high security vehicles with uniformed crews going in a few different directions, and then send out the Bolan going elsewhere. Bolan: https://www.google.com/search?q=suzuki+bolan&client=ubuntu&h...

If an armored convoy is not enough to protect your nuclear weapons, then you have an entirely different problem that needs solving first.

> If an armored convoy is not enough to protect your nuclear weapons...

The concern appears to be, at least partially, "the Americans will watch the convoys via satellite and know where we've got them all stored".

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by ceejayoz »

ta17711771 wrote: post #145
yingw787 wrote: post #21

Older article, but apparently Pakistan carts its nuclear weapons around in regular delivery vans: https://www.wired.com/2011/11/pakistan-nukes-delivery-vans/ I personally think this is a bad idea.

How do you think toxic waste is carried over the US/Canadian border? Hint: it's trucks and trailers.

There's a significant difference between toxic waste and fully functional nuclear warheads, though.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by 737min »

Professional and academic credentials in developing countries are often unreliable or outright fake. If this happend with pilot licenses, imagine CS degrees or medical schoold... Any immigration and H1B reform will need to address this while being fair and free of prejudice.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by avgDev »

rwc wrote: post #7
econcon wrote: post #2

Yea how are they even flying? Haven't read the article but I guess it's one of those things where the operator had the skills but isn't getting official stamp from some institution because of some agenda of creating artificial shortage or asking for money for stamp? These guys probably know how to fly right? Is flying very small part of overall pilot certification?

"Haven't read the article" That's your problem right there.

At least his honest and it comes up in the opening statement, therefore, it can be ignored :).

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by macintux »

ciarannolan wrote: post #53
gus_massa wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO5rXxJRmf4&t=4m50s (If you don't remember how to add the time, you can use https://youtubetime.com/ )

You can also right-click any Youtube video and choose "Copy video URL at current time".

Not available in all YT clients, though.
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