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Re: Symbian Won

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Post by calcifer »

unreal37 wrote: post #37
Bud wrote: post #11

This analysis elides the fact that all OSes in the Symbian era had to compulsively ask about accessing the Internet because data usage was at such a premium.

People forget that it was the release of the iPhone that caused AT&T and others to offer "unlimited internet". $60 for unlimited internet in 2007. That was a revolution. Before that, yes, you could run up a massive phone bill. [1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2007/06/26AT-T-and-Apple-Anno...

> $60 for unlimited internet in 2007. That was a revolution.

You mean their fake unlimited plan that resulted in a $60 million fine? That revolution?

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/5/20949850/att-fine-unlimit...

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Post by AgloeDreams »

maxwellito wrote: post #54

I actually never understood why iOS and Android don't offer the same system browsers offer for the Web. When you pick a file, the OS prompt a screen to navigate through your pictures to pick the item you want and give it to the webpage. Because this workflow is what most of the apps needs. I don't want apps to have access to all my storage system, but just the picture I want to share. The same system could be applied…

they do, the default file picker for iOS has a 'pick file' native command that then pops a system picker and then returns just the selected file but many companies would rather have full access to enable their own experience. In messaging apps, it is seeing the photos in a small view. Instagram has a full screen browser to enable their own chosen UX.

Edit: I just saw a really neat alternative view in iOS 14 whereas the 'allow access to photos' modal gives the option to pick and choose what photos are 'shown' by the OS.

Re: Symbian Won

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Post by nix23 »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #26

> With the latest releases of Android and iOS, we’re back to where we started. Both now prompt you the first time an app asks for access. Both give you regular reminders of which apps may be snaffling your data. Both let you manage access and selectively deny apps. Every OS should do this, desktop OSes included. For the last 2 decades I've been using personal firewalls on Windows to do just this, now I use LittleSnit…

Not saying your wrong, but you said something about SELinux and AppArmor..if your interested in that stuff you should checkout OpenBSD's pledge:

https://man.openbsd.org/man2/pledge.2

Re: Symbian Won

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Post by messe »

dmd wrote: post #43
messe wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> now I use LittleSnitch on Mac (I just hope it's going to keep working on ARM macs) It should. Kexts are still allowed, for now. They're almost certainly only a couple of releases away from being deprecated though.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210999

A WWDC talk confirmed that notarized Kexts will still be allowed, but you'll have to enable that option via MacOS Recovery.

Re: Symbian Won

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Post by dfox »

rvz wrote: post #4

That's like saying because everyone else has 'pervasive multithreading', BeOS won even when it was a commercial failure. Everyone else did it better. It's not about who invented it first, its about innovating over other inventions. Symbian still failed commercially in the market and couldn't compete or innovate with the other competitors.

It is only tangentially related, but Symbian in fact had even more pervasive multithreading than even BeOS. IIRC "correctly behaving" EPOC/Symbian GUI application was supposed to have at least three threads (UI and application logic in separate threads and additional "housekeeping" thread).

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Post by bjarneh »

arpa wrote: post #5

I don't miss symbian. Maemo on the other hand... was a loss. Nokia N900 was absolutely the best smartphone i ever used. Would use it still, but usb port issues forced me to upgrade.

I have two Nokia N9's (running Meego) at home still. I used N9 as my daily driver until about 3 years ago. The failure of that magnificent OS, combined with the failure of the successor (Jolla / Sailfish) still annoys me.

Re: Symbian Won

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Post by secondcoming »

kanox wrote: post #30
mola wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They innovated away privacy and security by relying on the human poor ability of impulse control and hardship with delayed gratification. Basically they made everything shiny and addictive. Is that really innovative? Perhaps 'bad' ui is better when you consider higher order consequences as opposed to concentrating only on first order popularity contest? I'm not saying Nokia and symbian were better BTW. Just noting ho…

This is a ridiculously shallow dismisal. Android and iOS "won" because the phones were vastly more capable.

Except they weren't. At the time, the US had really crap phones compared to Europe (which itself was behind Japan). The Nokia N95 could do everything. The original iPhone was pretty much laughed at by Nokia insiders because it lacked so many features. It turns out most users didn't care about most of these (MMS, DTV, Bluetooth)

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Post by cryptoz »

maxwellito wrote: post #54

I actually never understood why iOS and Android don't offer the same system browsers offer for the Web. When you pick a file, the OS prompt a screen to navigate through your pictures to pick the item you want and give it to the webpage. Because this workflow is what most of the apps needs. I don't want apps to have access to all my storage system, but just the picture I want to share. The same system could be applied…

I think this is how Android works now, and has for a few years. It is crazy that it wasn't always this way, though. Apps in the past could choose to request access to all your photos just to let you pick; but now I think that will get you removed from the Play Store (maybe?) since the official way in Android is now the way you describe.

Re: Symbian Won

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Post by secondcoming »

nl wrote: post #47
mola wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They innovated away privacy and security by relying on the human poor ability of impulse control and hardship with delayed gratification. Basically they made everything shiny and addictive. Is that really innovative? Perhaps 'bad' ui is better when you consider higher order consequences as opposed to concentrating only on first order popularity contest? I'm not saying Nokia and symbian were better BTW. Just noting ho…

I used Symbian. It was annoying . Easy of use and better UX is a very valuable "innovation".

They were making massive efforts internally to get rid of the Series60 UI, which was not pretty visually or API-wise. The last UI before the platform was dropped UI was Belle, which actually wasn't bad.

Nokia actually had a touchscreen UI called Series90 but that went nowhere, they dismissed touchscreens completely initially, and then went with resistive touchscreens on the disastrous N97

Re: Symbian Won

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Post by augusto-moura »

maxwellito wrote: post #54

I actually never understood why iOS and Android don't offer the same system browsers offer for the Web. When you pick a file, the OS prompt a screen to navigate through your pictures to pick the item you want and give it to the webpage. Because this workflow is what most of the apps needs. I don't want apps to have access to all my storage system, but just the picture I want to share. The same system could be applied…

Android gives this option, and also gives the option for acessing arbitrary files too (for other user cases). Most of apps use the second option anyway for other purposes, so they see little trouble in doing a custom file picker
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