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An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by monocasa »

uptown wrote: post #143
stilley2 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not in favor of the bill, but a warrant is still required (at least for domestic stuff).

Which is why the U.S. government routes a copy of the traffic through servers hosted in a friendly ally's country, then do whatever you want with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYNXVgYhPOc&feature=emb_logo General Alexander was very precise in his choice of words when he repeatedly stated "in the United States". What went unasked was whether these operations take-place against U.S. citizens outside of the border…

And even then he was lying. They had tapped google's inter datacenter connections for instance.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by dkdk8283 »

mattmanser wrote: post #144
pensatoio wrote: post #17

These bills terrify me. A lot of stuff happens in politics that’s frustrating, and much of it doesn’t catch my attention. There’s something about the pure ignorance that goes into breaking encryption that I can’t comprehend. I can understand when bills come through and the extreme differences in opinion are the result of different interpretations of facts and truth, but when it comes to encryption, there is no safe p…

What's more terrifying is that this is something you understand. Think of all the bills you don't understand that are just as bad!

Such as FOSTA/SESTA

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by xedrac »

As someone who typically votes conservative, this is the kind of ignorance that makes me seriously reconsider my stances. This would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and go a long way toward emulating China. No thank you! Time to double down on encryption efforts and Tor usage.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

alkonaut wrote: post #117

> (R-SC)...(R-AR)...(R-TN) It's funny how you can read just that and know that the bill is going to be absurdly bad. Not even just bad in the philosophical/political sense but actually just bad as in not understanding the problem space, or not even formulated clearly or coherently.

Toss enough coins and you'll get a good streak of heads going.

There's plenty of D's who just love to come up with bills that make citizens more vulnerable to the government.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by tomklein »

b112 wrote: post #125
tomklein wrote: post #64

Democratic nations are drifting more and more away from the wills of their people. How can this be changed?

Are they? Or, are the viewpoints of those in Westwrn nations more diverse? In the "old days", opinion was often formed by highly controlled sources, compared to internet standards. TV, radio, newspapers, magazines were created entirely from within (for example) the US, with strong editorial control. Now, one person with a divergent view can spread said view nation wide, regardless of from where they hail. So, I conte…

That’s an interesting point of view I didn’t think about yet. But as long as there is no collective will, should there be a law on that at all?

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by monocasa »

kiba wrote: post #73
nexuist wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the long term consequence of legally dismantling our Constitution (which is the US equivalent to "company values", both in terms of how often they are invoked and by how often the same people ignore them) is that it dramatically reduces our soft power on the world stage. Right now China is engaging in textbook "secret war" with Hong Kong as well as a variety of other human rights abuses. It used to be that we,…

But now? How can we hold a higher ground than China when our own police forces use the very same tactics against our own protesters? How can we accuse the other side of building concentration camps when we have our own? It's called having protestors in the first place. China wouldn't let you hear about it, or all you get is distorted information, which means you don't know what's going on in their society.

You don't think China has protestors? They protest on a scale not seen in the US, with 2010 having 180,000 "mass incidents".

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by dilettantism »

_tw9j wrote: post #91
desmondw wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think ironically a bill like this passing would lead to more decentralization of services -- making their goals of monitoring information even harder.

They don't want to track people who will use those decentralized services. Simple as that. They want control over majority. Nothing else. Any legal business will be required to do what law requires them and it will affect every citizen. I have no hope given the stupidity of my country to do something against acts like [1] personal data protection law or the decryption act. US going towards that road only means it's e…

Absolutely. Anybody who wants to skirt this can simply use an instance of any number of open source end-to-end encrypted apps and servers. This is not for catching sophisticated criminals.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by uptown »

monocasa wrote: post #151
uptown wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why the U.S. government routes a copy of the traffic through servers hosted in a friendly ally's country, then do whatever you want with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYNXVgYhPOc&feature=emb_logo General Alexander was very precise in his choice of words when he repeatedly stated "in the United States". What went unasked was whether these operations take-place against U.S. citizens outside of the border…

And even then he was lying. They had tapped google's inter datacenter connections for instance.

"not wittingly" /s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsmo0hUWJ08

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by tomklein »

jbotz wrote: post #127
tomklein wrote: post #64

Democratic nations are drifting more and more away from the wills of their people. How can this be changed?

Perhaps more accurate: some nations are drifting away from democracy. In particular the US can't really be considered a full democracy anymore, and the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) which publishes a "democracy index" every year, has recently downgraded the US to "flawed democracy". I think that this could happen in the US shows that democracy as currently implemented in most countries still has significant desig…

Never heard about the democracy index. Pretty interesting. I share this thought of a democracy 2.0 where people are educated more on a rational basis before decisions are made.

This seems to me like overprotective parents trying to limit what the kids should do based mostly on feelings, which is not a bad thing per se, but should be backed by some form of rationality.

I guess a lot things can be challenged

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by sailfast »

Crypto is classified as an armament for export control. I’m keeping mine under the second amendment, since the folks who wrote this bill seem to care about that one.

As an aside: does that mean US DoD will get a back door as well? As a secure provider with over 1M users that required encryption at rest and in transit I think they should be the first to give up the keys to law enforcement.

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