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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #49
nickysielicki wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A one-off tweet from a wikileaks twitter account about some other organization publishing something questionable is not at all the same as the document dumps that wikileaks publishes and puts their name behind. I'm obviously talking about the latter. I think it says something that this is the best you can come up with.

>I think it says something that this is the best you can come up with. Hi I can basically see you sneering with a "gotcha" face through that text. Sorry but Assange's history of leak revisionism, favoring Russia specifically, is deep. When Assange was working with "Anon" who was really an FBI snitch, he accepted files hacked from Syria. When they were released they were missing information about Russia including bank…

This is a politically motivated perversion of Justice , you here are implying he is loyal to Russia and therefore deserves it.

You know, even if you were right, you are not helping your case?

Its not just my opinion, its the UN opinion. https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?N...

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by JoeSmithson »

nickysielicki wrote: post #67
JoeSmithson wrote: post #62

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Assange is not in solitary confinement, please don't spread falsehoods

Thanks for this, I hadn't seen the news that he had been moved out of solitary confinement. I'm happy to be wrong, that's good news. I'll edit the parent comment. > Jailed WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is no longer being kept in solitary confinement and his health is improving, his spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson told reporters on Tuesday. - Feb. 2020 [1] [1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-assange/wikile…

I don't believe he was in solitary confinement up until then.

Here is the UN (Nils Melzer) saying he is not, in May 2019 [0]

> "Although Assange is not held in solitary confinement..."

There were photo leaks early on showing Assange interacting with other prisoners, with the leaker saying he was popular.

I believe what Wikileaks refer to as "solitary confinement" is being put on the medical wing, and not in his normal cell. Obviously Wikileaks are interested in making his imprisonment seem as harsh as possible.

[0] https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?N...

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by fsloth »

henearkr wrote: post #14
notkaiho wrote: post #12

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I may be misunderstanding your comment, but Assange is Australian.

Oh, sorry if it was not very clear, I was saying that US treatment of the Assange case was disgusting me. By "American great minds", I was thinking about all the American mathematicians and scientists whose books I passionately devour, and the splendid futuristic projects of some tech corps, which bring sci-fi dreams to reality.

Assange case? It's been a very bad idea for decades to get on US governments shit list. The range of options range from financial restraints to summary assassination without a trial.

People should understand this. US is a stabilizing force in the world but they are not about universal human rights or world peace.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by raxxorrax »

threeseed wrote: post #61
raxxorrax wrote: post #37

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The whole Russian story was a scam. We have documents saying that is was told to abuse FISA powers. Not that I like the persons it was employed against, but it is far larger than watergate if we had honest discussion about it. If you still talk about Russia, you have been fooled immensely and for me it is beyond comprehension how anyone could earnestly believe that story arc. You are spreading lies.

There is so much to talk about with Russia though. a) Widespread evidence not just from US but from UK and EU of efforts to interfere in elections and referenda e.g. Brexit. b) State sponsored propaganda via social networks which even as recent as last week was having to be removed. c) Continued meetings between Trump and Putin where only translators are present i.e. no State Dept representatives. d) 20+ years of Tru…

Yes, if I need an explanation of governance failure, I would blame Russia too. I just don't get why you believe it without any evidence.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by dijit »

fsloth wrote: post #72
dijit wrote: post #63

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Ugh, don't make me do this: Selectively releasing documents is not the same as releasing something later proven to be false, which is what the GP asserted. FWIW you could play devils advocate here and say that wikileaks could not independently verify the omitted things; but I'm not going to go there because it's conjecture. Just as your suggestion that it's collusion with Russia, however likely, is also conjecture.

Selectively releasing everyone else's dirt except for Russia is a strong indicator of non-neutral stance.

Sorry I must have missed where anyone in this thread-chain has asserted that statement at all.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by henearkr »

ReptileMan wrote: post #76
henearkr wrote: post #39

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Yes, you're right. But the pressure to do so comes from the US all the same... You're right that what's happening in UK with Assange is very disturbing... I followed Craig Murray's blog posts.

Well you have to be special kind of reckless to be in US friendly jurisdictions when pissing off the State Department ... Assange wanted to play with the big boys. He got his wish granted.

If I understand well, you are essentially saying "well done".

Let us agree to disagree.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

ReptileMan wrote: post #32
henearkr wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, sorry if it was not very clear, I was saying that US treatment of the Assange case was disgusting me. By "American great minds", I was thinking about all the American mathematicians and scientists whose books I passionately devour, and the splendid futuristic projects of some tech corps, which bring sci-fi dreams to reality.

I mean ... the US has not even got hands on him yet. He hasn't been in US custody for a second. There is absolutely no case. Yet. If you want to feel contempt strongly towards someone - the UK, Ecuador and Sweden governments are the ones to blame so far.

There is a United Nations report detailing how Assange is being politically prosecuted. This is no longer merely an opinion of his sympathysers.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by thatlongthrow1 »

dijit wrote: post #63
thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think it says something that this is the best you can come up with. Hi I can basically see you sneering with a "gotcha" face through that text. Sorry but Assange's history of leak revisionism, favoring Russia specifically, is deep. When Assange was working with "Anon" who was really an FBI snitch, he accepted files hacked from Syria. When they were released they were missing information about Russia including bank…

Ugh, don't make me do this: Selectively releasing documents is not the same as releasing something later proven to be false, which is what the GP asserted. FWIW you could play devils advocate here and say that wikileaks could not independently verify the omitted things; but I'm not going to go there because it's conjecture. Just as your suggestion that it's collusion with Russia, however likely, is also conjecture.

Assange asking Guccifer 2.0 for Hillary leaks: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt6BBwBXcAEL-Fj?format=jpg&name=...

Assange helping Guccifer 2.0 distribute manipulated Hillary leaks: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/764256561539735552

How the leaks were taken from other sources and manipulated: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qkjevd/guccifer-2-is-bull...

>Guccifer 2.0 — believed to be a misinformation campaign operated by Russian intelligence — posted an 860-megabyte file on Tuesday afternoon that he claimed was donor information he hacked from Clinton Foundation servers.

>A sampling of the posted documents include a spreadsheet of big bank donations, a list of primarily California donors, an outdated spreadsheet of some Republican House members — and a screenshot of files he claimed to have obtained, one of which was titled “Pay to Play.”

>But there are a number of red flags that suggest the documents are in fact from a previous hack on the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), not a new hack on the Clinton Foundation.

>A spot check of some of the people on the donor list against FEC filings found that they all lined up with DCCC contributions.

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