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An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by mratsim »

_tw9j wrote: post #91
desmondw wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think ironically a bill like this passing would lead to more decentralization of services -- making their goals of monitoring information even harder.

They don't want to track people who will use those decentralized services. Simple as that. They want control over majority. Nothing else. Any legal business will be required to do what law requires them and it will affect every citizen. I have no hope given the stupidity of my country to do something against acts like [1] personal data protection law or the decryption act. US going towards that road only means it's e…

Banks will love that.

As would EU, South American and Asian businesses, they would VPN to another continent VPN to finally have nested encryption for key stakeholders communication.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by schaefer »

I've read the bill of rights.

i have a right to be secure in my papers and affects.

okay, this bill emphasizes that police need a warrant, but glosses over the bit about actual security.

administrative controls aren't security. That's why we haven't outlawed locks on the front door...

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by mratsim »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #51

> Incentivizes technical innovation What a load of bs. Because those tech-freaks always find a way right? Innovation will simply appear without any doing on our part. We can just create non-sense bills and laws and they will make it work. They will magically find a way. These imbeciles do not even understand the simplest things about encryption, but want to make laws for it. Ridiculous. I would laugh right now, if it…

This would be in breach of various privacy laws in the EU.

Companies have been sued for using weak encryption (cough plaintext passwords).

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by mratsim »

bilegeek wrote: post #95
incompatible wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going after systems that have over a million users would leave a pretty big loophole for niche vendors and open source. But with such a big precedent, those could easily be targeted later.

For those, like you and me, who have been touting open-source as a beacon of hope: I'm sorry, we're done for. First, anything that has more than a gig of memory and sells over a million units must be engineered according to the government's whims. That is pretty much ANYTHING useful nowadays. Hardware will now spy on you. And even though there is old hardware, and theoretically zero-trust programming techniques out t…

What if you put a text in your project:

All lawsuits are in the jurisdiction of X Tribunal, situated in Switzerland or another privacy-friendly country?

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by nix23 »

Aeolun wrote: post #98
nix23 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But take it easy, in Switzerland we want to trow 12 y/o into prisons for being (potentially) a dangerous person (terrorism), not for being a criminal but being potentially one in the future (not far away from a KGB mindset if you ask me)

I presume they must have done something like actually preparing a terrorist attack right? It’s hard to decide what to do with children in such a scenario, but I cannot imagine prison is the best solution.

>actually preparing a terrorist attack right?

For that we already have a law, planing for a crime.

But that law really just means you have sympathy or contact to potentially dangerous persons, or you speak out stuff that could be connected to "terrorism".

They even invented a new Word for that (in Germany): Gefährder (a potential dangerous person who did not broke any law...)

EDIT: Actually it look's like 12yo don't have to go to prison but have to stay at home.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by mratsim »

kd5bjo wrote: post #57
noodlesUK wrote: post #43

What’s the situation when two (ostensibly friendly) superpowers, the US and EU, have totally mutually incompatible laws regarding something totally transnational? I’m not asking rhetorically, I’m asking legally, what is a company to do if they want to do business in both locations?

Depending on the nature of the conflict, it might not be possible at all. Countries generally reserve the right to control both what crosses and happens within their borders- that’s more or less the definiton of sovereignty. If two countries have mutually-exclusive regulations regarding some goods, there isn’t a legal trade in those goods between them.

I guess it's time for github.eu

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

#108

Post by mratsim »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #50

Perhaps conservatives will find compelling a comparison to the second amendment. When crypto was outlawed, only outlaws will have crypto. The letter I sent to my senators is as follows: I care deeply about the safety and security of my fellow Americans. I understand the challenges that strong encryption poses for law enforcement. I don’t want the terrorists and pederasts to win. Yet, I strongly oppose Senate bill 405…

Given how controversial gun ownership is, I wouldn't use that as an example, it might undermine the case.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

#109

Post by el_don_almighty »

schaefer wrote: post #102

I've read the bill of rights. i have a right to be secure in my papers and affects. okay, this bill emphasizes that police need a warrant, but glosses over the bit about actual security . administrative controls aren't security. That's why we haven't outlawed locks on the front door...

lockpickinglawyer on youtube should quickly dispel any sense of security you have with the lock on your house. It is literally ZERO

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Post by el_don_almighty »

tomcooks wrote: post #72

Please stop voting dumbasses in the US, it affects everyone living in countries who have commercial agreements with then

If you don't like the idiots in Congress... then run for office. Engage in the civic process. Why aren't there more nerds and programmers in Congress? We should be there
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