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An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Perhaps conservatives will find compelling a comparison to the second amendment. When crypto was outlawed, only outlaws will have crypto. The letter I sent to my senators is as follows: I care deeply about the safety and security of my fellow Americans. I understand the challenges that strong encryption poses for law enforcement. I don’t want the terrorists and pederasts to win. Yet, I strongly oppose Senate bill 405…

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Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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I think when people trade on the negative connotations of "fascism" and then turn around and go "oh i mean this..." they're being duplicitous and alarmist. The antifa lot essentially define fascism as an eternal set of human psychological impulses: nostalgia, in-group preference, desire for cultural homogenity, etc. These did not lead to Fascism, the "obviously bad thing" which they are being alarmist about. Fascism…

> Fascism was a direct result of, and contingent upon, the mass death and poverty caused by WWI. That is grossly wrong. There was no "mass death and poverty" in Italy during or after WWI.

wtf are you talking about?

Half a million Italians died in WW1. And as many again from the spanish flu. And all of Europe was in a permanent condition of poverty until way into the 20th C. 80% of the population was poor working class even in 1970.

You do not get Russian communism without the prolonged period of slavery called "serfdom" which persisted into the late 19th C. in russia.

You do not get fascism in italy without WW1.

This isn't controversial in political science.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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I think when people trade on the negative connotations of "fascism" and then turn around and go "oh i mean this..." they're being duplicitous and alarmist. The antifa lot essentially define fascism as an eternal set of human psychological impulses: nostalgia, in-group preference, desire for cultural homogenity, etc. These did not lead to Fascism, the "obviously bad thing" which they are being alarmist about. Fascism…

> The antifa lot essentially define fascism as an eternal set of human psychological impulses: nostalgia, in-group preference, desire for cultural homogenity, etc. Add authoritarianism and militarism to it and you have the definition used by historians and political scientists. > Fascism was a direct result of, and contingent upon, the mass death and poverty caused by WWI. "mass death and poverty" in Italy? This is p…

Then it is nearly meaningless and just a term of abuse. Fascism is not "skepticism".

By this definition of fascism, antifa are fascists and so are all governments and most people.

This may be how some use the term, just as some use "communism" to describe any use of the state. It's pseudo-political nonesense that's just a term of abuse.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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What are the effects of this, if passed, on the rest of the world using Office 365, Facebook or AWS? It might be impossible to reconcile with some regulation in eg the EU.

Logically it means that most of planet earth abandons our technologies and our companies. Locking out their best and brightest simultaneously give them an even better chance to exploit this opportunity.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Perhaps conservatives will find compelling a comparison to the second amendment. When crypto was outlawed, only outlaws will have crypto. The letter I sent to my senators is as follows: I care deeply about the safety and security of my fellow Americans. I understand the challenges that strong encryption poses for law enforcement. I don’t want the terrorists and pederasts to win. Yet, I strongly oppose Senate bill 405…

Conservatives don't care about rights and they certainly don't care about your values. They literally just want your money and if you don't have enough to get them re-elected they don't give a damn.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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The web browsers and operating systems are our trusted computing base. If those have backdoors all else is moot.

These anti encryption policies are almost always about online services though. Government is generally not so concerned with encryption in the OS because people rarely encrypt their data at rest and even when they do it is still stored data at rest that can be brute forced in time. If you are using a web browser for a typical online service any backdoor is less concerning than simply going straight to the service pro…

Given usage of reasonably available standards at present you will never gain access to encrypted data at rest inside the probable lifespan of our planet let alone a court case.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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With China on the one end going into full dystopian mode and the US aiming for a modern police state, I really wonder what the endgame is. Full fascism again?

Again? When was the USA or world fully fascist? Whose endgame?

Full fascism just means a state that is overtly fascist. We already have notable anti-semitic movements in Europe, as well as overtly authoritan governments. We also have massive militarization and secret policing in parts of Europe and the US. I do not see anything that prevents these trends to merge towards full fascism again. Of course it might have a different flavor this time. As in "Ok, this time we do not harass the (white, non-jewish) gays.", or even "Yes, Ok, the slaves are not really inferior.", but that are minor differences.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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It's very simple. The powers that be just want to break encryption, but only for law enforcement use. Simple. Uggg.

One of the long term consequence of legally dismantling our Constitution (which is the US equivalent to "company values", both in terms of how often they are invoked and by how often the same people ignore them) is that it dramatically reduces our soft power on the world stage. Right now China is engaging in textbook "secret war" with Hong Kong as well as a variety of other human rights abuses. It used to be that we,…

> Our word used to mean something. > But now? How can we hold a higher ground than China when our own police forces use the very same tactics against our own protesters? How can we accuse the other side of building concentration camps when we have our own?

But we’ve had things like this for a long time. The police have acted like they do for generations, we had concentration camps for Japanese people during World War II, and we’ve always done a variety of other reprehensible things (propping up brutal dictators, destroying native civilizations, institutional racism of every possible flavor.) Frankly, I’m shocked that our word ever meant something.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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post #54
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With China on the one end going into full dystopian mode and the US aiming for a modern police state, I really wonder what the endgame is. Full fascism again?

Would be exceptionally fine if Europe leave out this round of overall extremism...would be a first timer ;)

You wish.

Norwegian politicians voted to allow police to control everything that crosses the border (edit2:)digitally. Which, in a small country like ours means pretty much everything.

Edit: they did it despite the entire (edit3:) IT industry yelling at them and Amnesty International carefully trying to tell them to stop.

That said, I guess the last word hasn't been said yet. Also equally bad things have been turned around before and for the first time in my life I feel the urge to participate in politics.

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