The solution to policies like this is serverless or point-to-point systems. As an application publisher you cannot be held liable or obligated towards that which you do not possess and are, by design, not capable of possessing. As an example consider copyright law and BitTorrent. BitTorrent provides a software application and protocol but not servers or services, so the BitTorrent software is never liable for the copyright violations of content that makes use of its protocol.
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Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT
#22The solution to policies like this is serverless or point-to-point systems. As an application publisher you cannot be held liable or obligated towards that which you do not possess and are, by design, not capable of possessing. As an example consider copyright law and BitTorrent. BitTorrent provides a software application and protocol but not servers or services, so the BitTorrent software is never liable for the cop…
The web browsers and operating systems are our trusted computing base. If those have backdoors all else is moot.
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#23This bill wouldn't receive enough support to pass considering the libertarian wing of the Republican Party right?
Isn't the libertarian wing considerably small part of the Republican party at the moment? On top of my head I can only recount 3 major figures. The rest are libertarians until they enter the game(get elected), then switch to being party acolytes.
The Liberty Caucus has eight members in the House. Who knows how these people will vote though and which ones can be pressured to vote for.
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#24With China on the one end going into full dystopian mode and the US aiming for a modern police state, I really wonder what the endgame is. Full fascism again?
Again? When was the USA or world fully fascist? Whose endgame?
Fascism did control quite a number of countries some 80 years ago. I think it's not unreasonable to say that full fascism was their endgame.
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#25This bill will be sold to the right as helping fight against foreign terrorists living in the US. It will be sold to the left as helping against the alt-right organizing and spreading hate. And it will be sold to everyone as helping stop child exploitation. In addition, there is already a lot going on in the country to keep the average person from focusing on this issue. It seems like allowing the government to spy o…
The further we get from wwii, and the Cold War to some extent, the harder it is to remind the public how scary it is to live without freedoms. How do we remind them? Could China and Russia act as cautionary tales that voters would respond to? Putin jailing and murdering his political opposition, Chinese concentration camps for muslims - why do so many people assume it can’t happen here? Nazi germany wasnt some backwa…
> Germans didn’t like what happened - there were countless assassination attempts against hitler, but it was just eventually too late.
That myth has to die - there was no real opposition against Hitler for as long as he was successful. He was probably the most popular political leader of all the time. German people did not have a problem with his hatred against Jews, on the contrary, that's what gave him his popularity. It never was "Bad Nazis vs Good Germans" - Nazis and Germans were one and the same.
Yes, initially, in 1933 Nazis did slauther some of their political opponents, but for the years after that they really didn't need to terrorize the nation. Gestapo in 1937 was just 7000 people, inlcuding secretaries and other support stuff, and that was enough to keep 60 million nation in check. Compare that to 200k members of STASI in communist East Germany after war.
As for assasination attempts - if you look at Wikipedia list [0] you'll notice two things:
1. Most of them are pathetic, with zero chance of succeeding
2. None of them are attempted by common "good Germans" - some are by members of competing radical groups, some by citizens of countries conquered by Hitler, then, starting in 1940s there are attempts by generals that realize Germany is going to lose the war.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassination_attempts...
Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT
#26A more digestible way to read the article: https://thinkerapp.com/shared/RichArchetypalBettong Context: I'm building an app to help the intellectually curious like me to be better able to approach dry, long, and intimidating articles. The link is a highlighted summary generated with this app, and if you have any feedback I'd love to hear it!
Are you really intellectually curious if you avoid articles that are too long or 'intimidating' (what does that even mean)? Perhaps you meant 'timid', not 'curious'.
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#27The solution to policies like this is serverless or point-to-point systems. As an application publisher you cannot be held liable or obligated towards that which you do not possess and are, by design, not capable of possessing. As an example consider copyright law and BitTorrent. BitTorrent provides a software application and protocol but not servers or services, so the BitTorrent software is never liable for the cop…
The web browsers and operating systems are our trusted computing base. If those have backdoors all else is moot.
These anti encryption policies are almost always about online services though. Government is generally not so concerned with encryption in the OS because people rarely encrypt their data at rest and even when they do it is still stored data at rest that can be brute forced in time.
If you are using a web browser for a typical online service any backdoor is less concerning than simply going straight to the service provider where all things converge. If a web browser is used in a serverless context, just for localhost user interaction, it can rely on other aspects of the OS to transmit data thereby circumventing any browser backdoor.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again? When was the USA or world fully fascist? Whose endgame?
Fascism did control quite a number of countries some 80 years ago. I think it's not unreasonable to say that full fascism was their endgame.
Fascism was a political situation in 1930s italy. I think the commentor is objecting to this new, rhetorical use of the term which essentially connects any "nostalgic, authoriatrian" impulse to a 1930s-style tyranny.
The left's use of "fascism" today is much like the rights use of "socialism/communism".
Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT
#29A more digestible way to read the article: https://thinkerapp.com/shared/RichArchetypalBettong Context: I'm building an app to help the intellectually curious like me to be better able to approach dry, long, and intimidating articles. The link is a highlighted summary generated with this app, and if you have any feedback I'd love to hear it!
Are you really intellectually curious if you avoid articles that are too long or 'intimidating' (what does that even mean)? Perhaps you meant 'timid', not 'curious'.
The articles are of interest to me, but as I open 20 tabs or so the prospect of diving into thick paragraphs on each link seems tedious and daunting, so I put them off and never actually come around to them. I found bookmarking apps would just allow me to delay them indefinitely, so that didn't work either, so I built this to get the approachable inverse pyramid structure entry into any article.[0]
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid_(journalism)
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#30Would this be for "online services" only, or would operating system vendors have to decrypt users' encrypted file systems on demand? Answer: according to the article "any device that has more than a gigabyte of storage and sells more than a million units a year could have to build a government-required backdoor if it is subject to five warrants or other requests, as would any operating system or communication system…
I briefly read the doc and it requires assistance to decrypt local device storage and remote storage. So it's a full spectrum demand for decrypting data.