Around 6 years ago I quit my job as a developer to dive into agriculture. I learned about syntropic agriculture systems and felt in love with it because: - You are able to work with space and time in a way to maximize yield (not 1 crop yield, but but multi crop) - It focus on being biodiverse - It builds forests So in this systems you will see rows of trees intercalated with rows of beans, corn, soy anything "weedy"…
Hello, also a developer who's interested in agroecology. I actually also left development (as a job, not as something I do) in order to pursue a more human-centric approach to agriculture. With automation, it seems obvious we'll be seeing way more unemployment than what's happening right now, which is already alarming; small farms with synergistic crops & forestation seems like a no-brainer to achieve food sustainabi…
What vertical farming and ag startups don't understand about agriculture
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#102Our farmers are computer literate.
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#103I’m not “silicon valley,” but only a single programmer who has an interest in agriculture. The author is talking about large scale farms. What about small scale farmers? In my experience with those farmers, they don’t typically have the access or money to afford tech. Do you not think there’s an opportunity to create cheap tech tools—automation and robotics—for small scale farmers?
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Well, you can get it there, but berries aren't worth enough to make that journey by air. That is generally reserved for seafood and there is an equally amazing logistics system to do that. Calling one of the most amazing processes on the planet "disastrous logistics chain" is just disingenuous.
30% of all food produced - approx 1 Trillion dollars worth - is lost in the supply chain, and contributes the equivalent of the third largest CO2 producer if it were a country. I'm not sure how to describe that other than a disaster. http://www.fao.org/3/a-bt300e.pdf
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what advice would you offer to another developer that longs to get into agriculture?
Start by getting your hands dirty. Grow some herbs in a window box or something simple. Once you reap the rewards, you may get the green-thumb itch and keep going. Getting started is easy: seed, dirt, water, sunshine
Same advice I'd give someone in agriculture looking to get into code.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you explain this "disastrous logistics chain"? I am a bit confused given all the effort that goes into logistics by farm companies.
It's the logistics chain from the farm to your plate that's the disaster. That's not for lack of trying. But having exposure to farming growing up, there's no good way to get a ripe berry from Washington State to Florida before it spoils without freezing it, genetically engineering it (which is fine, I'm pro GMO, it's just costly) or treating it. Even if you do, handling it will see large losses. So the trick is, how…
One is to change consumer behavior to focus much more on in-season products that can be grown locally. This is a difficult social challenge.
The other is to change plant behavior so that they become products that are always in season and can be grown everywhere. This is a difficult technical challenge, but things like indoor vertical farming can potentially solve that. The problem described in this article is that it does not (yet?) work for effective farming, but making it possible to grow the appropriate berries or fruit locally throughout the year would fix the logistics chain by eliminating most of it.
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#108This type of farming scales only at the cost of variety, quality, the environment, and our health. Contrary to self serving studies, having less pesticides in your food intake is probably good for you. Also, less corn syrup in your life is definitely a good thing. And more variety in your diet is probably not a bad idea either. In a nut shell "modern farming" is a great way of feeding the poor and a core reason why obesity and poverty is a common combination in modern economies. All the cheap food is great at keeping you alive but not necessarily optimal for a long lifetime.
The promise of actual modern farming is vastly more efficient use of resources (water, energy, chemicals, the environment), more variety, better freshness, nutritional value, cost, being able to grow it closer to the place of consumption, etc. It has nice side effects like being less taxing on the landscape and environment and generally being associated with things that give people warm fuzzy feelings, which they tend to attribute some $ value to. I other words, modern farming is what modern farmers want to do because that's where the money is.
If you look at the value chain in farming, it's clearly a very tiered market. At the very bottom you have the basically inedible stuff that is destined for animal fodder and industrial processing. It's by definition low margin and high volume. Farming practices in this space tend to be very destructive. It's cheap only because the epic cost of cleaning up the mess is not factored in (that's for the next generation to worry about).
One level up you have the stuff we actually can eat that is mass produced at razor thin margins for the industrial production of food. It's the bottom of a value chain where most of the money is made by industries using the produce as the input for their food products.
Then we get more into niche farming where quality of production, production process, and the produce is the key goal. This is the stuff consumers pay extra for to get because it tastes good or makes them feel good. Whether it's organically produced spelt flour hand ground by some bearded hipster or some japanese beer fed and massaged Kobe beef; this is high value, high margin, produce. Any farmer with a clue wants to be here because that's where the money is. High margins and everybody thinks your cool. The only problem is that it doesn't quite scale to feeding the planet. But nevertheless this sector has exploded in the last few decades.
And then you have actual high tech modern farming which does the former but in a smarter way such as to maximize quality and yield while minimizing cost. Vertical farming fits in here because it gets you fresh stuff pretty much straight from the farm into your shopping basket. The reason it's currently applied mainly at the top end of the market is simply because that's where the money is right now. But there's no reason for this stuff not to eventually gobble up the rest of the market. There's probably a lot of stuff that will fail to scale or to deliver but inevitably some it will work pretty much as advertised.
In any case, you won't find silicon valley involving themselves with shaving of a hundredth of a percent on a tiny margin on producing glorified pig food. There are no 10x returns doing that. It's a race to the bottom. Selling fresh basil to city dwelling hipsters on the other hand is a thing short term but hardly the end goal.
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#109There's only so much that can be grown and mechanically harvested, and the US surely excels at producing maize, wheat, or soybean, but vertical farms don't try to compete with those. The production of other crops does not happen in the US that much, but it also operates at a rather spectacular scale - instead relying on poorly paid laborers abroad.
There are vision guided fruit picking machines. They're too slow, too fragile, and need too much supervision. But they mostly work. What they need now is good practical mechanical engineering. The 2016 version:[1] The 2019 version.[2] When they get about 2x faster, have half the parts count, and can be routinely pressure-washed, they'll be ready. The "AI" part is done.
One of the simpler automated systems is automatic weeding. Machines come in several forms, but the most successful seem to be wide implements towed behind a tractor. Deere has some of these. They recognize weeds with cameras and do something about them. Some stomp or pull, some zap with electricity or a flame, some squirt on an overdose of fertilizer. It's "organic", too; no pesticides. You can get this as a service in a few areas.[3]
[1] https://youtu.be/mS0coCmXiYU
Re: What vertical farming and ag startups don't understand about agriculture
#110Around 6 years ago I quit my job as a developer to dive into agriculture. I learned about syntropic agriculture systems and felt in love with it because: - You are able to work with space and time in a way to maximize yield (not 1 crop yield, but but multi crop) - It focus on being biodiverse - It builds forests So in this systems you will see rows of trees intercalated with rows of beans, corn, soy anything "weedy"…
Hello, also a developer who's interested in agroecology. I actually also left development (as a job, not as something I do) in order to pursue a more human-centric approach to agriculture. With automation, it seems obvious we'll be seeing way more unemployment than what's happening right now, which is already alarming; small farms with synergistic crops & forestation seems like a no-brainer to achieve food sustainabi…
I fully support the underlying message, but automation has been happening at large scale for 70+ years now, unemployment rate doesn't follow automation, jobs are just shifted to other industries/sectors.