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Re: The End of OS X

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Post by Normille »

jonhohle wrote: post #497
wool_gather wrote: post #425

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In my experience this is partly because Homebrew has steadily moved to a "knows better than you" stance and every time you ask it to do one thing, it goes off and does a bunch of other things first. MacPorts is well worth a spin if you're on a Mac and have trouble with Homebrew. I switched sometime last year and am very happy. I think I've actually been using it more because I know it's not going to be a pain every t…

I've been a MacPorts user since the days of Fink vs. MacPorts and tried and failed to use brew many times. The biggest argument at the beginning for Homebrew over MacPorts was binary distribution and now MacPorts has that and can still compile custom versions if necessary. MacPorts is always the first thing I install on a new Mac and has been for over 15 years. The several times I've seriously tried Homebrew, I get f…

I've been using Homebrew for years and, although I've not had any major problems with it, I do find the slowness irritating. And also the fact it tends to ridiculous bloat by keeping previous versions of everything installed, unless you remember to do some spring cleaning every now and then.

I'm up for giving MacPorts a go. But is there a pain-free way to transition between Homebrew and MacPorts, without having to reinstall everything over again? I've installed a load of stuff with Homebrew, over the years and don't fancy having to pick through it all again to try and remember what I installed and why.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by addandsubtract »

bragh wrote: post #185
mhaberl wrote: post #116

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I don't think that (most) Linux users see "free" as the main reason for using Linux. Personally if Linux had a price tag, and Windows were free I would still be a Linux user.

That is true. If I put it into monetary terms, I would gladly pay 50 EUR per month to have an operating system that did the following: - UNIX command line integration and generally following UNIX philosophy - Docker integration working out of the box - no spying on me - fractional scaling support - Nvidia drivers support (for gaming) Running Windows 10, Ubuntu 20.04, Mac OS Mojave and Mac OS Catalina on different com…

I'd rather have the Nvidia support for ML. But more importantly, the OS would need to support a multi-touch trackpad and the Adobe suite.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by mattigames »

ArgyleSound wrote: post #559
mattigames wrote: post #136

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The problems I have faced with my 2018 MacBook Pro that make me dread working with it (I have to due my job) are not development issues but mostly end-user ones: https://ivanca.tumblr.com/post/615979862803562496/15-flaws-o...

> I know you can Opt+Cmd+V but thats not the point, which is extremely poor UI/UX. Cutting files is generally bad UX, and Windows (which has the function) handles it rather awkwardly. To be honest many of these issues you point out are tenets of macOS since the very first release of 10.0 and in many cases earlier.

> Cutting files is generally bad UX

Says who? Apple? Where was it established to be "bad ux"? 30 years using it on Windows and have yet to find anything awkward about cutting files.

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Post by everdrive »

fluffything wrote: post #406
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I just "use linux" and I get all the benefits with much better hardware (more memory, disk storage, speed for compilation), better drivers (important especially for GPU support for either graphics/rendering work or machine learning) and my downsides are... what exactly? Itunes, Mail, etc, none of the software shipping with MacOS is actually any good. I don't use Safari. From your perspective, what aspect of the "cust…

> and my downsides are... what exactly? I've spent zero days, zero hours, zero minutes, and zero seconds fiddling with setting anything up in macOSX over the last 15 years. I manage a bunch of Linux systems, from laptops to desktop to servers, and over the last 15 years I've probably spent months of my life setting up stuff that should have just worked. I use a mac at home and as my dev machine, because I charge quit…

What if you want to type without accidentally hitting your cartoonishly-large trackpad? Or if you want to type without a key accidentally registering twice because someone decided that thin keys were better?

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Post by parasubvert »

wuwuno wrote: post #519
fluffything wrote: post #406

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> and my downsides are... what exactly? I've spent zero days, zero hours, zero minutes, and zero seconds fiddling with setting anything up in macOSX over the last 15 years. I manage a bunch of Linux systems, from laptops to desktop to servers, and over the last 15 years I've probably spent months of my life setting up stuff that should have just worked. I use a mac at home and as my dev machine, because I charge quit…

I've been a nix guy since 1983. Worked for a major nix player, wrote end user application software on the platform, built chip design software on the platform, wrote device drivers for all kinds of hardware, system admin for years and years, etc. etc. I'm not some newb who just fell off the truck. In many way *nix is still stuck in 1983 because it's a craftsman's platform, which is why there 10,000 distros, oops 10,0…

And most server admin is moving to an “immutable infra” model where the Linux box is a container worker node that is disposable. Life’s too short to be sysadmining.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by scarface74 »

quijoteuniv wrote: post #533
greedo wrote: post #225

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Nor did they force any iPad upgrades...sigh

The issue was that I could not sync my Ipad with Itunes anymore i believe, so I could not for example load music to my Ipad. So they did not "force" me you are right, but I did not get other choice because they disable some core functionalities. I aprecciated if you elaborated the meaning of "sigh", as you might noticed english is not my native language. And please do tell on your experience on the subject.

My original iPod Touch from 2007 could still sync to my computer as of about a year ago.

Also as of about a year ago, I could still download “the last compatible version” of apps like Hulu, Netflix, and Crackle on my first gen iPad and they worked. Music I bought from iTunes was still playable and still synced automatically to it. I didn’t try to sync from my computer.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by scarface74 »

quijoteuniv wrote: post #535
scarface74 wrote: post #410

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The citations are proof of nothing related to OS upgrades. It’s true that iOS devices do slow down with newer operating systems, but the articles that were cited about lawsuits were about slowdowns on iPhones caused by battery management. The lawsuits were about Apple not informing users that they could have fixed the specific slowdown by buying new batteries. I’m not arguing that older devices don’t get slower with…

I am glad you drive for acuracy in posts, I did assume that the issue with slowing down was the same as the one they where fined for. I guess I will never know. The point of my posts is conveing a bad user experience, which you seem to have had yourself too, and posted several posts later. So the "sued" is not relevant anymore. we can agree on the slowing down/bad experience aspect :)

And I’m not trying to be not picky.

If you had a 6s and you noticed a slow down. The answer could be buy a new battery and still be able to run iOS 14 decently when it comes out.

If you had an iPad that was slow. The answer would never be “buy a new battery”.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by oneplane »

banachtarski wrote: post #539
oneplane wrote: post #305

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Have you noticed how all your arguments are fine yet only personal preferences? (except dataloss) The UX, UI and 'feel' is what makes people use one thing over another. Unless you can replicate that, or can do better, nobody's getting swayed either way (and that's fine, do what you want). There is no objective 'my pc is better than your pc' because you're not the same person as the one you'd be attempting to compare…

How is better hardware-to-price ratio and driver performance a "personal preference?" Do you not want those things? If you're saying that having a particular UI is important, that's another matter. I'm just explaining what it is that caused me to ditch the Mac ecosystem.

No, those things aren't the main driver for my choices.

Say you have two options, same price, different vendor. And the main difference (for the sake of the argument) is that one comes with a mobile i5 and the other one with a mobile i7. Technically the price-to-performance ratio is better for the i7 model. But the driver for me to buy any device at all is wether the device can do the task I need it to do. If the i5 does the task the same way the i7 does the task, what is the extra value that the i7 supposedly brings?

Often people will make a 'what if' argument here, because "what if you need to do something different" sounds like a nice argument to get more than what you need. In reality, I don't often see anyone changing their tasks mid-lifecycle and then have a sudden requirements change. It hasn't happend for me at all.

The same parallel can be made with cargo capacity of a vehicle; technically every Lamborghini ever is a stupid choice because you can't move your furniture with it. Or every Fiat Panda is stupid because you can't drive at 200 Km/h speeds. Make it more absurd: every boat is stupid because it doesn't fly like a rocket.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by cdelsolar »

0x0 wrote: post #475
cdelsolar wrote: post #114

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i don't understand your point about random npm account holders running their scripts on your computer?

When you npm install a single package like vue or react, it drags in a dependency tree that sources a thousand random npmjs packages. Each of these packages may specify a postinstall script that executes at install time. Time and time again, some random leftpad-like dependency might lurk five directories deep and spring a surprise script on you, either because the author is malicious, or they handed over (or sold out…

gotcha. oof. :/

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by ArgyleSound »

mattigames wrote: post #563
ArgyleSound wrote: post #559

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> I know you can Opt+Cmd+V but thats not the point, which is extremely poor UI/UX. Cutting files is generally bad UX, and Windows (which has the function) handles it rather awkwardly. To be honest many of these issues you point out are tenets of macOS since the very first release of 10.0 and in many cases earlier.

> Cutting files is generally bad UX Says who? Apple? Where was it established to be "bad ux"? 30 years using it on Windows and have yet to find anything awkward about cutting files.

Because on Windows the functionality is semantically inconsistent.

When you cut text you are removing it from one place and pasting it into another. As soon as you choose the action the text disappears.

When you cut a file nothing happens to the file unless you paste it somewhere - and for good reason, it would be insanity for a file to disappear in a similar manner and when the majority of uses for this function are to simply move a file (something most modern filesystems can handle quite gracefully) it would also be insanity to copy the file from the filesystem into RAM and then back into the filesystem.

The macOS paradigm makes more literal sense - you copy the file and then you can choose to either paste it somewhere or move it to another location.

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