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Forking HTML into a static language doesn't make sense

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Re: Forking HTML into a static language doesn't make sense

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Hey, thanks for your replies, and interesting project! Correct me if I'm wrong, but quirks mode applies when the doctype declaration is missing, right? I'm talking about modern, validated HTML documents that have no CSS. And I'm sorry to repeat myself if you go over my comment history, but the whole thing about having to specify all of a sudden in a proprietary tag that I suggest to use the device(-)width as the widt…

Thank you. Ah, so you grudge is , sorry, I was confused by default awful table style. That is much harder, there was no simple answer [1], browsers displayed viewport, some (Opera Mobile or Mini) had text reflow option. One company decided that it is authors responsibility [2], others followed. And now it is bad default. So what can we do? Improve own experience – vote with your feet, inject setting in extension, pat…

Thank you. Ah, so you grudge is , sorry, I was confused by default awful table style.

Thank you, Sergey! And now that I've taken a look at your home webpage I'm happy to see you agree with me!

Thanks for the detailed explanations and the links. Comments like yours make HN the Internet gem it is!

Re: Forking HTML into a static language doesn't make sense

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If you define early web as pre-1998, then you’re essentially talking about five guys who all had computer science backgrounds. Yes, they were good at their jobs, but it was never going to last. Increasing the number of web developers by 1000x by definition had to drag down their average skill level to the average skill level of the population at large. Most definitions of the early web include the PHP Cambrian explos…

It was before your time, kid. (1) I think you underestimate the early web by quite a bit. It had a lot more awesome than you give it credit for, and if not for dot-com bubble + bust, it would have evolved in a much more thoughtful way (2) And dot-com boom and growing developers 1000x didn't need to involve Netscape, Microsoft/IE, or the W3C implosions of the time. Those were a question of management decisions and per…

Fair enough. I actually was a kid in 1998. I believe I started “programming” HTML in 1997 or so (copying view source and uploading to my internet host). There were some cool things like Hot Wired and Suck.com (and the bus on the MSN splash page!), but it was just a vastly smaller space than now. Even Geocities doesn’t really make your cutoff, so it’s hard to compare.

Re: Forking HTML into a static language doesn't make sense

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The Gophersphere seems to prosper and I have seen some interest in Project Gemini[0] over on Mastodon in the last weeks. So I guess People are trying and somewhat succeeding. Personally, I am also quite skeptical of the benefits of these approaches. I would like a web more focused on documents, but many of the "forbidden" features these communities define are actually things I was excited about when they were introdu…

Once upon a time (aka the early '90s), Gopher and WWW were both simple systems for publishing hypertext. Neither one was appreciably more complex or ambitious than the other. WWW eventually pulled out into the lead, due largely to licensing considerations; WWW had been developed at CERN, which explicitly disclaimed any ownership over it, while Gopher had been developed at the University of Minnesota, which preferred…

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