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Re: The End of OS X

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Post by hu3 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #219
ben7799 wrote: post #157

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That's a very silly anecdote when so many people in the past 2 years had the keyboards on their $2000+ Macbook Pros break within a year. And it's an HP, we all know they are terrible.

Yes, but at least Apple paid for the repair. HP had no mercy for the hinge. Tell me, outside of a Thinkpad, are there really any good Windows brands? Microsoft's Surface division just opened a repair program because the glass on their screens was spontaneously cracking.

When my son burned his Dell's CPU and mobo while carelessly overclocking it, Dell sent a tech guy to my house the next day with the parts and replaced it on-site for free. No questions asked.

My limited time on Earth is worth a lot and Dell seems to acknowledge that.

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Post by sailingparrot »

oneplane wrote: post #258
sailingparrot wrote: post #203

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> You assume that people have to throw away millions of laptops Hmm yes I do: https://twitter.com/RDKLInc/status/1275100376350384132 Have you also never had anyone you know spilling liquid on their keyboard after the warranty expired? Or dropped it? So in the end yes, I am pretty sure that there are literal millions of devices being thrown away because repairing them is too expensive. Edit: I'll also add that in 6 ye…

Those are not laptops, those are iPads, which weren't modular to begin with. Also, not broken, but locked, because the previous owner didn't unlock them before discarding them. Are there millions of devices that get thrown away in general? Sure. But I doubt it's only devices with RAM that was soldered down and branded Apple. Regarding spilling on keyboards: I don't know anyone personally who does that, in my local ar…

> Those are not laptops, those are iPads, which weren't modular to begin with.

Sorry, I thought this was illustrative enough to make my point, but if we have to be pendantic then here you go the exact same thing but with Macbooks:

https://twitter.com/RDKLInc/status/1251533085734252549

> in my local area people don't eat or drink next to their devices

Interesting local area you have there, at my office and all the offices i was in the past everyone has a cup of coffee right next to their laptop.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by mixmastamyk »

pjmlp wrote: post #93
runjake wrote: post #78

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Apple marketed directly to UNIX and Linux power users with their famous advertisement: https://julxrp.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/apple_unix_ad.jpg In this era, they were all about marketing to UNIX people.

When the ship is sinking anything goes, they also had sessions at CERN back in the day, but that was never a central role in Apple culture, nor its users for the most part.

That ad was well after the rebound.

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Post by jzelinskie »

pier25 wrote: post #253
parasubvert wrote: post #84

I personally think that the MacBook Pro 16 inch is the world’s best laptop, and look forward to see what the next generations can do. But the whole point has been MacOS. I’m not sure what to think of the changes. If they stabilize the mess that was Catalina, then they’re doing the right things, even with the increased iOS-ification of the Mac. If they just slap more Windows 8 style touch gloss on deep and unresolvabl…

> The main thing I miss is Spotlight search, but there are third party replacements for that. Such as? I've been looking for a decent launcher for Windows but all the options are pretty mediocre compared to Spotlight (or Alfred which is what I use).

Microsoft is adding one to PowerToys: https://github.com/microsoft/powertoys

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Post by rvz »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #73

Mac OS 11 feels like it might end up being the Windows 8 of Mac OS. A company is taking/took a well-loved and highly productive desktop/laptop optimized operating system (OS X for Apple, Windows 7 for Microsoft) and is making/made it more like a tablet/phone operating system. Unfortunately, that made it less optimized for the desktop/laptop use case.

That could be true of macOS 11 but it's too early to tell unless they completely removed Finder.app and blew it up into a new user interface for macOS, which Windows 8 did for the start icon that destroyed the user experience, but we'll see.

If that's the 'Windows 8 of Mac OS' I don't want to see what the 'Window 8 of the Linux Desktop' is.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by codemonkey-zeta »

Yhippa wrote: post #286
codemonkey-zeta wrote: post #152

As a younger hacker, who has never been into the Apple ecosystem and doesn't know much about Steve Jobs, the video presentation of the funeral for MacOS 9 sort of blew me away. It was so funny and theatrical, but got the message of Apple's new direction across so clearly. You can even see people in the front rows standing up and gawking, trying desperately to figure out what was going on. What a fascinating productio…

Got a good link?

It's the first video in the original post. https://videopress.com/v/cTvJLHm8

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Post by oneplane »

sailingparrot wrote: post #312
oneplane wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are not laptops, those are iPads, which weren't modular to begin with. Also, not broken, but locked, because the previous owner didn't unlock them before discarding them. Are there millions of devices that get thrown away in general? Sure. But I doubt it's only devices with RAM that was soldered down and branded Apple. Regarding spilling on keyboards: I don't know anyone personally who does that, in my local ar…

> Those are not laptops, those are iPads, which weren't modular to begin with. Sorry, I thought this was illustrative enough to make my point, but if we have to be pendantic then here you go the exact same thing but with Macbooks: https://twitter.com/RDKLInc/status/1251533085734252549 > in my local area people don't eat or drink next to their devices Interesting local area you have there, at my office and all the off…

> https://twitter.com/RDKLInc/status/1251533085734252549

Again, two MacBooks and not millions, as explained in the twitter thread. Again, not defective but locked by the previous owner. Not even remotely related to 'right to repair'.

As an owner, I want to be sure that when I lock a device, it's actually unusable to anyone else. So this is good (for me).

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by webmobdev »

brightball wrote: post #88
lordleft wrote: post #64

I've looked at the trajectory of Apple these past few years with mounting bitter-sweetness. At its best, MacOS really felt like the best of Unix combined with the consumer focus alluded to in the article. I still adore the craftsmanship of the latest Macbooks, but my 2015 Macbook felt like the apex of Mac's design. It was the kind of device that was such a pleasure to develop on. You could leverage the power of Unix…

Every time there’s a new Apple announcement, I’m happier and happier that I switched to Linux a couple of years ago. Power users want freedom and control of their own machines and hardware. The moment that Apple started soldering parts into place, I started looking elsewhere because it was a signal of the thought process.

> The moment that Apple started soldering parts into place, I started looking elsewhere because it was a signal of the thought process.

Very true! The first thing I did after buying a Mac Mini was to upgrade the RAM and change the HDD to an SSD, and even added an extra HDD. The Apple options for the same were nearly triple the cost. Only an idiot would believe that having soldered CPUs, soldered RAM and now soldered SSDs is a good thing. It is a good thing only for Apple, and Samsung et. al bottomlines.

And with ARM processors, you can be sure you'll get a PC with locked bootloaders that won't allow you to even install other operating systems. And the offered OS will also be a dumbed down system like ios that will only allow you install from a locked app store. All the while leeching off your personal data to the cloud.

I too have started exploring other alternatives.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by xigency »

scarface74 wrote: post #292
xigency wrote: post #222

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I believe Apple has faced multiple class action lawsuits over this type of issue. Here is the pretty broad result of one: "Friday’s settlement covers U.S. owners of the iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6s, 6s Plus, 7, 7Plus or SE that ran the iOS 10.2.1 or later operating system. It also covers U.S. owners of the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus that ran iOS 11.2 or later before Dec. 21, 2017. Consumers contended that their phones’ performance…

So in response to a post saying that “Apple never got sued for slowing down iPads ”, you post another link where they got sued for slowing down a number of iPhones .

Yes, because your original argument was with someone who said their iPad was slower after a software update. This is evidence that hundreds of people had iOS devices slow down noticeably after an update and Apple decided to pay them to remove the case from court.

As a software developer I am aware of how adding features to an operating system to can indeed slow it down on existing hardware or raise the level of what the minimum specs are. Many of those issues would affect both iPads and iPhones.

I understand that you're trying to 'debunk' something here but the honest truth is that some people have had bad experiences with Apple products.

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Post by chaostheory »

banachtarski wrote: post #243
mstade wrote: post #148

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I keep reading these types of comments on HN but I just can't relate. I consider myself a power user, and precisely because MacOS feels like the best of Unix combined with customer focus is why I'm wholly invested in the Apple ecosystem. I simply can't relate to the statement that Mac is a "platform that contends with me every step of the way" and I'm curious to know more specifically why you feel this way?

I just "use linux" and I get all the benefits with much better hardware (more memory, disk storage, speed for compilation), better drivers (important especially for GPU support for either graphics/rendering work or machine learning) and my downsides are... what exactly? Itunes, Mail, etc, none of the software shipping with MacOS is actually any good. I don't use Safari. From your perspective, what aspect of the "cust…

Linux is great for development work and casual web browsing, but imo it doesn't feel polished enough for most people's personal stuff.

> Itunes, Mail, etc, none of the software shipping with MacOS is actually any good. I

It's better than the open source stuff on Linux. While it has gotten much better over the years, it's still not good enough for normal people like my parents or my sisters who are not techies. That's just reality for now at least. It's pointless as to whether or not you agree with it.

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