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My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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Post by krapp »

austincheney wrote: post #332
charlesu wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a question without a purpose. Police officers carry guns, have qualified immunity, and can kill people. Are they using excessive -- and in some cases deadly -- force in situations that do not require it? That is the only question that matters. Evidence suggests that in some cases that they do use excessive force. It doesn't matter if in many cases they don't. It doesn't matter if the corruption ratio is 1:100…

Almost everyone in southern states visibly carry guns. That is not an excuse to ignore or forgive an absence of data or accountability.

>Almost everyone in southern states visibly carry guns.

Umm... no they don't.

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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Post by zw123456 »

bluntfang wrote: post #280
zw123456 wrote: post #175

I had an incident happen to me where I was stuck in traffic in the left most lane on the freeway next to the diamond (HOV) lane. So the HOV was on my left and was wide open and all the other lanes were completely stopped, or stop and go. A state police officer had people pulled over just ahead of me for HOV violations. A car that was exactly the same model and color as mine was flying down the HOV and pulled in two c…

imagine wanting to kill someone because they didn't listen to you when you told them to pull their car over for an HOV lane violation.

right, those are the types of people who should not be police officers.

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Post by eMSF »

pierrebai wrote: post #246
eMSF wrote: post #216

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Is the black person that gets into deadly altercations with the police an “average” black person? Of the two incidents that have caused much civil unrest lately (enough to be heard of on this side of the Atlantic) there's been one walking catalogue of locally available illicit substances (per the autopsy), and another one passed out drunk driver, with both of course resisting arrest after it is inevitable (with one o…

Resisting arrest should not lead to death. There is no urgency to shoot someone who is drunk in the back as he is fleeing when you have his car in your possession. Polices are using unnecessarily lethal force indiscriminately for offenses and in situations that don't require in the least. They have been getting positive reinforcement by being not prosecuted and being protected by their force and the system in general…

>Resisting arrest should not lead to death

Yes, the world is not perfect in many ways.

That does not remove the logical fallacy of implying that because police are (wrongly, as you say) a mortal threat to those who resist arrests, therefore police are one of the biggest threats (if not the threat) in an average black persons life. The recent two cases do not offer convincing evidence for the latter (although other cases may do so).

Of course this (particular topic) isn't really a place for arguing for an argument's sake. Rather, it's for showing your compassion.

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Post by pdonis »

uoaei wrote: post #142
pdonis wrote: post #90

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> The black lives matter organization in my city presented a list of demands to the city council and every one of them was ignored What were the demands?

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/

Thanks for the link.

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Post by throwaway_jobs »

fastball wrote: post #298
throwaway_jobs wrote: post #274

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I don’t know about the ratio being 100:1, but You are right these are Classified police killings not murders...that said, also consider George Floyd’s death was on track to be swept under the rug as a Justified police Killing until the protests.

Considering the fact that 99% of people murdered by police are getting a lot of airtime right now, I think we can say that the ratio is closer to 100:1.

So take Eric Gardner’s death in 2014, NYPD had him in a chokehold his last words “I can’t breathe”...justice dept refused to bring changes, I won’t get into right/wrong (murder/justified killing) but hell AG Barr sides against the justice dept.

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

randompwd wrote: post #333
vidarh wrote: post #273

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We recently had a case in the UK where a prominent (as in winning the British Empire Medal for her services to nursing prominent) nurse was stopped by police, and was too scared to get out of the car. When she told the police this, their response was "I don’t believe you because you’re talking to police officers." She ended up being arrested for obstruction because they kept failing to understand that her reluctance…

Please stop spreading nonsense. For one, this person is not prominent by any definition of the word prominent. Also, you can see the full bodycam footage and UK peoples take on this stop at https://old.reddit.com/r/policeuk/comments/hbbhkb/a_calm_col... Bear in mind she was stopped because the car she was in had (potentially illegally) tinted front windows. All in all, she seems like someone who is ingesting too much…

>Bear in mind she was stopped because the car she was in had (illegally) tinted front windows.

From the article linked in the parent's post:

"Court documents later established they were within the legal limit."

There was no need for the police to use violent force against this terrified woman, but they did it anyway.

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Post by [deleted] »

jeffdavis wrote: post #241
pjc50 wrote: post #22

> “I blame myself,” she kept saying. “I never let him out on Halloween. A bunch of Black boys together. I shouldn’t have let him out. But he begged me.” Notice that while average white parents might worry about criminals before letting their kids out on the street, the black parents worry (with good reason) about the police. (Just to spell it out: this is why so many BLM activists feel comfortable saying "abolish the…

Blacks are killed by police disproportionately by a factor of around 2-3x. For such a remote occurrance, a small factor doesn't justify the difference between carefree and paralyzed by fear. Automobile accidents kill a lot more people than police do, but I doubt most people bother to know the risks of cars within a factor of 2-3x. The fear may be there, but I don't see it justified in the numbers. Blacks are also dis…

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Post by dagnabbit »

randompwd wrote: post #333
vidarh wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We recently had a case in the UK where a prominent (as in winning the British Empire Medal for her services to nursing prominent) nurse was stopped by police, and was too scared to get out of the car. When she told the police this, their response was "I don’t believe you because you’re talking to police officers." She ended up being arrested for obstruction because they kept failing to understand that her reluctance…

Please stop spreading nonsense. For one, this person is not prominent by any definition of the word prominent. Also, you can see the full bodycam footage and UK peoples take on this stop at https://old.reddit.com/r/policeuk/comments/hbbhkb/a_calm_col... Bear in mind she was stopped because the car she was in had (potentially illegally) tinted front windows. All in all, she seems like someone who is ingesting too much…

The above post contains incorrect facts.

This is allowed because dang works hard to ensure that HN remains a safe space for racists and bigots. This includes banning people who are rude, but welcoming people who politely spread disinformation.

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Post by vidarh »

blub wrote: post #314
vidarh wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We recently had a case in the UK where a prominent (as in winning the British Empire Medal for her services to nursing prominent) nurse was stopped by police, and was too scared to get out of the car. When she told the police this, their response was "I don’t believe you because you’re talking to police officers." She ended up being arrested for obstruction because they kept failing to understand that her reluctance…

Unless one lives in Mexico, where the police assassinate people regularly, being terrified of the police - especially in Europe - doesn't fly as an excuse. This is the fault of the media which is fishing for clicks and demonizing the police to the point that people are becoming paranoid.

Being afraid of being killed, sure. Being afraid of having your life messed with, on the other hand is very reasonable in a lot of European countries too.

Even Theresa May acknowledged in her very first speech as PM that there were problems with institutional racism in the Metropolitan Police for example.

And top Met officers have also talked about problems with racism [1] and warned about misuse of stop and search. Each little abuse of power adds to an environment of fear.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/14/former-top-m...

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Post by randompwd »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #346
randompwd wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please stop spreading nonsense. For one, this person is not prominent by any definition of the word prominent. Also, you can see the full bodycam footage and UK peoples take on this stop at https://old.reddit.com/r/policeuk/comments/hbbhkb/a_calm_col... Bear in mind she was stopped because the car she was in had (potentially illegally) tinted front windows. All in all, she seems like someone who is ingesting too much…

>Bear in mind she was stopped because the car she was in had (illegally) tinted front windows. From the article linked in the parent's post: "Court documents later established they were within the legal limit." There was no need for the police to use violent force against this terrified woman, but they did it anyway.

Yes well done.

How do you think police determine if they're in limit or not. They test them. She could have been on her way in 5 minutes but chose to act like an idiot.

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