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> Stereotypes of blacks Black people. "Blacks" sounds totally dehumanising.
> Black people. "Blacks" sounds totally dehumanising. As a black person, I'm grateful for this feedback. Thank you.
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As to murder: White Murder victims: 3,499 (2,854 of the victims were killed by other whites) Black murder victims: 2,870 (2,570 of the victims were killed by other blacks) 2019 police killings by race: White deceased: 370 Black deceased: 235
First, the fact that you are only 10 times more likely to die from a civilian as from a police officer is an appallingly bad ratio . That ratio should be over 100:1, not 10:1, and certainly not 9:1. This conversation is missing another statistic: The percent of citizens who are also LEOs, which I'm seeing is about 1 in 300. Which means your chances of dying during an encounter with a random civilian are about 30 time…
The vast majority of police killings are of people who were armed and chose to get in a fight with them. Even of the few unarmed cases, most of them were asking for it. So if you're just going about minding your own business, the chance is minuscule.
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> because from their point of view the police are the people most likely to assault or kill them or their children on the street, more so than random criminals I don’t think that is framed correctly. Black or white statistically you are far more likely to be killed (or assaulted) by non-police Of the same race as you. I think everyone knows that, and to say police are the most likely to assault of kill black people t…
> Black or white statistically you are far more likely to be killed (or assaulted) by non-police Of the same race as you. That really doesn't matter that much. If a stranger assaults someone and a police office assaults someone, those are not equal. The stranger can be tried and convicted, but the police officer not as easily if at all. Also the stranger is a stranger, while the police officer I pay for and exists to…
I assure you it matters to the victims and their families.
And I don’t disagree about the morality of police abusing their powers...but a death is a death and a tragedy is a tragedy. No one is celebrating the death of their loved one no matter what the killers skin color or occupation.
> That is so much worse than a stranger doing those things.
Again it’s not like the victim of a sexual assault is saying thank god I was rapped by a non-officer.
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I looked at the numbers in another comment[1], and it seems that for every one black person killed by police (justifiably or not), over 20 black people are murdered by other blacks. So either there's something wrong with my analysis, or the fear of police is somewhat misplaced. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23579467
Jeff Davis? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Davis I'm assuming your username is an unfortunate coincidence.
It's crazy but from a European perspective, stories like this sound more like what I imagine police forces to behave like in dictatorships, not in a democracy. After living in Europe for six years now, my wife is still puzzled sometimes by the differences between Europe and North-America when it comes to the police: how they are experienced by the population and how they see and present themselves and which role they…
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It's relevent because you need to compare the costs of police (e.g. police violence) to the scale of problem that is supposedly being solved (e.g. murders). You can choose to fear who you want to fear, I guess. But the numbers seem to suggest pretty much everyone should be more concerned about being murdered than being killed by police. Being killed by police is more of a betrayal, for sure. For that reason it might…
Murder is an understood societal outlier that society doesn't tolerate. Society is disquietingly tolerant of murder when the murderer is wearing a badge and executing a suspect "In the line of duty." If not for the nationwide protests, it is extremely likely the murderers of George Floyd would still be employed by their police departments, forget arrested.
I agree.
But the original post seemed to be saying that it was rational for blacks to be carefree about criminals and afraid of police, which just doesn't seem in line with the data.
And it's also disquieting how little people seem to care about murder victims, who are much more numerous and also disproportionately black (by a greater factor than the disproportionate killings by police). Those black lives matter, too.
> “I blame myself,” she kept saying. “I never let him out on Halloween. A bunch of Black boys together. I shouldn’t have let him out. But he begged me.” Notice that while average white parents might worry about criminals before letting their kids out on the street, the black parents worry (with good reason) about the police. (Just to spell it out: this is why so many BLM activists feel comfortable saying "abolish the…
Blacks are killed by police disproportionately by a factor of around 2-3x. For such a remote occurrance, a small factor doesn't justify the difference between carefree and paralyzed by fear. Automobile accidents kill a lot more people than police do, but I doubt most people bother to know the risks of cars within a factor of 2-3x. The fear may be there, but I don't see it justified in the numbers. Blacks are also dis…
Ending qualified immunity and civil forfeiture are ideas whose time has arrived. Even with bipartisan support for stopping these unconstitutional practices they have enjoyed surprising staying power through different administrations.
Qualified Immunity is fascinating. Nobody ever passed a law for it, it just evolved. Really weird. Need new laws to remove it.
It's crazy but from a European perspective, stories like this sound more like what I imagine police forces to behave like in dictatorships, not in a democracy. After living in Europe for six years now, my wife is still puzzled sometimes by the differences between Europe and North-America when it comes to the police: how they are experienced by the population and how they see and present themselves and which role they…