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Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
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Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
which part is bad policy? that part where the US is in the midst of it's worst economic recession in modern history, with record unemployment across the board, and so they want to pause foreign worker programs to allow a larger pool for US workers?
It's bad policy because it was done super abruptly, throwing an unnecessarily large number of lives into chaos, and packaged with a plan to make large unspecified changes when foreign workers are allowed again. Anyone who was planning to come to the US over the next couple years is now basically forced to cancel, because who knows what the immigration system will look like then?
anything to make the “base” happy I guess. This ripples from this will plague the American economy for years. Maybe H1B was in need of some sort of reform, but the implementation of this is simply moronic.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#113The largest H1-B visa sponsors are Cognizant, Tata, Wipro, Infosys, and Deloitte. None of those scream "innovation" to me. The system absolutely needs reform, and I think most people can agree with that. But that said, blanket bans on immigration by the white supremacists and nationalists currently running our government and deciding our immigration are probably not designed to help America or innovation either. The…
I wasn't aware that our government was currently being run by white supremacists. Do you have a source?
Here are 6 sources. Different incidents, different news organizations. There are hundreds more, but I got bored. Hell, his campaign was running an ad with the Nazi pink triangle (like the gold star, but for gays and liberals) last week. That didn’t even make my list.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/white-supremacists-c...
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/23/735191317/white-supremacy-and...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/trump-e...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/opinion/trump-white-supre...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/11/el-paso-shoo...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/06/donald-trump-jr-rifle-magazi...
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#114The largest H1-B visa sponsors are Cognizant, Tata, Wipro, Infosys, and Deloitte. None of those scream "innovation" to me. The system absolutely needs reform, and I think most people can agree with that. But that said, blanket bans on immigration by the white supremacists and nationalists currently running our government and deciding our immigration are probably not designed to help America or innovation either. The…
"by the white supremacists and nationalists"
That is some mental gymnastics given the cost of immigration is paid by minorities. But then again, your kind never discuss with honest intent, do they now?
Miller is Jewish, but communists have it out for them to when their presence is not convenient. Just look how they treat Sowell.
You really are dishonest, out of curiosity, are you white?
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#115I see a lot of comments that miss the point. H1B visas have their problems and the system could be greatly improved by reforms. But that is not the issue. We are talking about suspension of ALL H1Bs and J visas!
Whatever you feel about the problems with the current system, it is a net positive for the US. It has some pernicious negative effects, but ultimately our economy benefits more by being able to draw and integrate top talent from all over the world. To put this in a context that might be more familiar to readers here, it would be like Google or Facebook putting a moratorium on aquihires, or implementing some other policy that hurts their ability to recruit.
Please do not buy into the hype that this is the first step toward reform. The current administration has had 3.5 years to overhaul the H1B system and has done nothing to date.
This is horribly short sighted and a strategic blunder. It will hurt American innovation and the American economy. It’s the type of move made Yahoo and AOL in the mid aughts that ultimately led to their stagnation and demise 10 years later.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#116There are 2 sides to every coin. It can be frustrating/demoralizing to American software developers as well, when they go to interview for a job, to see they are competing with an absolute flood of Indian and Chinese H1Bs. Then, when all of your interviewers are Chinese and Indian as well and you don't get the job, you sort of feel like the victim of favoritism and that you've been pushed out of your own country's in…
Give me a break. There are still a huge number of white developers across tech companies of all sizes. Cries of anti-American discrimination at American companies are overblown.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#117My news and social media feeds are almost universally negative about this. Who is happy about H1B Visa suspension? Who was advocating for it?
Everyone I know, including me? There is _no_ shortage of workers for virtually any industry. There is a shortage of people willing to work for submarket rates.
How does that work without your favorite hole-in-the-wall restraunt closing down because almost no one wants to pay $50 more for a bowl of ramen noodles every week?
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#118ITT: People criticizing the H1B program for reasons that have nothing to do with why it was suspended, or considering the fate of people/families who are already here on H1Bs.
This is a pretty obvious move by the administration to discourage immigration, in any form. Could the H1B system be more equitable to workers, more efficient, less confusing, etc? Absolutely. But suspending H1Bs and green card applications like this does the opposite of all of that and throws thousands of families into limbo.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#119The largest H1-B visa sponsors are Cognizant, Tata, Wipro, Infosys, and Deloitte. None of those scream "innovation" to me. The system absolutely needs reform, and I think most people can agree with that. But that said, blanket bans on immigration by the white supremacists and nationalists currently running our government and deciding our immigration are probably not designed to help America or innovation either. The…
>The largest H1-B visa sponsors are Cognizant, Tata, Wipro, Infosys, and Deloitte. None of those scream "innovation" to me.
of course. Those are the B2B ugliest enterprise software jobs that not many people really want to do, yet those are necessary jobs. Bad as it is, when/if those jobs move overseas due to the factors like those visa restrictions, i don't think it would make that software and its support for US customers better as overseas situation adds additional complexity and cost, and that in turn may get reflected in the performance of those US customers.
Note: i did almost 8 years on H1B in the previous decade (and before that few years as a remote in 199x), and i think the greatest threat to our cushy jobs here isn't small (85K/year) inflow of immigrants, it is full fledged remote work to which the companies have been pushed by factors like covid and now the work visa restrictions which can as well result in tech jobs leaving the country like manufacturing jobs left it in the past. The work visa program is like a safety pressure valve - shutting it off brings the risk of the thing blowing out, ie. the jobs just going away.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
This will fuel the "remote anywhere" trend that's already underway. If a H1b engineer in US suppresses wage growth, wait until the same engineer can do the work for 1/3rd the cost from his own country, especially when everyone in the team is remote.
> wait until the same engineer can do the work for 1/3rd the cost from his own country, especially when everyone in the team is remote. It’s not quite as easy as it seems, believe me software companies have been trying to pull this off for decades. I’ve been around situations where a US team was offshored and returned again because the results were so dreadful. What people forget is that the folks who actually make i…
>It’s not quite as easy as it seems, believe me software companies have been trying to pull this off for decades. I’ve been around situations where a US team was offshored and returned again because the results were so dreadful
>What people forget is that the folks who actually make it here are the absolute cream of the crop.
You know a good way to reverse this trend, though? Force all those people to take all the skills they've learned back to their home countries.
I work at a Big-N and there are many teams that are majority non-citiens. If they're forced to leave the US, do you think the company will try to replace them with Americans, or just move the team?