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My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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Does it also seem weird to you that small countries have intelligence bureaus? Denmark and Finland are both less populous than New York City.

So then Walmart should have a spy agency because they're bigger than some countries?

Walmart is not an executive agency of an elected government, so no.

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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Most police in the world works like this. The only exception to this rule is countries like Japan, Switzerland and Singapore. In those countries, as a working class citizen you can rely on the police to make sure to keep monopoly on violence and keep you safe, when they fail to do so, they will at least bring some level of justice to whoever did you wrong - though less in Switzerland than I'd like. At least the US of…

I don't believe Japan's policing system solved their sexual harassment/assault problem in public spaces, at least that's what I see in the popular media. A Japanese woman here would be more knowledgeable than me on this though.

Given their spread of CCTV and police officers you have a higher chance of apprehending someone compared to other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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I've lived here a long time and come to the realization through observation that the NYPD operates like a private security force for capital. Their primary concern is to defend private property, the people themselves come second. The "community outreach" they do is just enough to keep us from getting accusatory.

Most police in the world works like this. The only exception to this rule is countries like Japan, Switzerland and Singapore. In those countries, as a working class citizen you can rely on the police to make sure to keep monopoly on violence and keep you safe, when they fail to do so, they will at least bring some level of justice to whoever did you wrong - though less in Switzerland than I'd like. At least the US of…

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Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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>Bringing up "black-on-black crime" is a common disingenuous tactic to distract from conversations about police brutality. It's part of the story, though. The incident in the linked article started because a group of teens jumped another and stole his phone. If that's happening 10x as often then innocent kids in that neighborhood are going to be 10x as likely to be swept up in police action.

[edited to add context] a comprehensive reply to the "what about black on black crime" comment from journalist Michael Harriot. https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/126846376828518809...

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Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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Most police in the world works like this. The only exception to this rule is countries like Japan, Switzerland and Singapore. In those countries, as a working class citizen you can rely on the police to make sure to keep monopoly on violence and keep you safe, when they fail to do so, they will at least bring some level of justice to whoever did you wrong - though less in Switzerland than I'd like. At least the US of…

It's sure worth handing guns to everyone for defense. If everyone is armed that really makes the world a safer place. How else could you e.g shoot somebody to defend your parking spot? /s But seriously.. do you have been to Europe? You need to visit some very extreme areas to be in real danger. What you describe is pure hyperbole.

Most working class in Europe live in "extreme" areas also "not-wanted-to-be-officially-known-as-no-go" zones.

Lol, I love how you question if I've live/d there, like the complete inability to take in information that might not be fit to your world view.

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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Bringing up "black-on-black crime" is a common disingenuous tactic to distract from conversations about police brutality. Most violence is committed by people you're around, and in an intensely segregated country, that will usually be people that are the same race as you. It's a complete digression from the actual conversation here, which is about agents of the state, entrusted to act as enforcers of the state's mono…

It is a tactic commonly used as you say. It's also a relevant statistic here, although all race on black violence would have been even better. It still serves to support the point quite clearly that police are not to be feared as much as criminals, even if you're black. Having said that, a lot of criminal violence happens if you're mixed up in that world or frequenting a bad area as opposed to just random violence. T…

It is completely irrelevant. It's like responding to "It's raining today" with "It was sunny last week". At best, it's a non-sequitur, at worst it's an active attempt to distract from the conversation at hand. And it ignores the facts that A) black-on-black crime does not happen at a substantially higher rate than white-on-white crime, B) the explanation for why most crime is intra-racial in a segregated country is pretty straightforwardly obvious, and C) Black people actually are attacked and killed by police at wildly disproportionate rates, which is why the subject of police violence against Black people is a valid topic of conversation, whereas "black-on-black crime" is a pointless or hostile digression.

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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I looked at the numbers in another comment[1], and it seems that for every one black person killed by police (justifiably or not), over 20 black people are murdered by other blacks. So either there's something wrong with my analysis, or the fear of police is somewhat misplaced. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23579467

Or we can acknowledge that discussions oriented around in-group violence perpetuated by members of said group (which isn't novel nor unique to the black community) do not obviate discussions of police misconduct and issues apparent in the criminal justice system perpetrated by a powerful and state-operated out-group, Mr. Davis.

"because from their point of view the police are the people most likely to assault or kill them or their children on the street, more so than random criminals"

Are we not allowed to fact check false claims?

Re: My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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The protests in the wake of George Floyd’s murder are currently tapering off, but I don’t see any evidence at all that substantive changes have been made, which means that this is all going to happen again, and soon, and the protests will be bigger, the police response more violent. The black lives matter organization in my city presented a list of demands to the city council and every one of them was ignored, instea…

> The black lives matter organization in my city presented a list of demands to the city council and every one of them was ignored

What were the demands?

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