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Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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My news and social media feeds are almost universally negative about this. Who is happy about H1B Visa suspension? Who was advocating for it?

Everyone I know, including me? There is _no_ shortage of workers for virtually any industry. There is a shortage of people willing to work for submarket rates.

Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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The message has been loud and clear: do not emigrate to the US because no career advancement is worth constant uncertainty about your possibility to build a life.

Middle income emigrants nowadays have a choice of multiple countries with a high standard of living and job opportunities, in addition to the many new opportunities that have been created by offshoring and satellite offices.

In the past 4 years I have seen all my software engineer and PhD friends choosing Spain, Switzerland, Austria, Germany and Denmark to emigrate. I have discarded the US for potential MBA studies since then too.

Desperate poor refugees will just take whatever country takes them as anything is better than war or genocide, so ironically this does very little to dissuade the most desperate, which I would assume would be one of the primary targets of these xenophobic policies.

Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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My news and social media feeds are almost universally negative about this. Who is happy about H1B Visa suspension? Who was advocating for it?

> Who is happy about H1B Visa suspension? Who was advocating for it?

Mostly, hard-right Republicans have been advocating for it, but I suspect a lot of labor (who has been raging against H-1B for a while) is happy with the policy of suspending H-1B visas, though quite dissatisfied with the politics, which is why you want hear any public support from them on it. (I favor abolition of H-1B as part of wider immigration reforms, but think that both the immigration suspension in general and the addition of various economic non-immigrant visas, including H-1B, to it in particular are bad policy, in the interest of disclosure.)

Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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Patrick Collison tweeted a powerful graph that quantifies this: https://twitter.com/patrickc/status/1275288642022289410

How is that quantifying impact on the U.S. innovation? It shows people being moved out of a bunch of countries and to another but I see no demonstration of that positive impact.

Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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As an intended MBA applicant for the class of 2021, the recent uncertainty around H1B visas makes me very uneasy and disappointed. I was forced to leave the U.S. back in 2016 despite having an investment banking job and paying meaningful taxes, which was incredibly frustrating. I was hoping for another shot at living and working in the US after completing an MBA, and now it looks like there either won't be a chance o…

Bon Voyage! There are enough Americans who need an MBA degree. And there are more than enough Americans who can do an investment banking jobs.

Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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The largest H1-B visa sponsors are Cognizant, Tata, Wipro, Infosys, and Deloitte. None of those scream "innovation" to me. The system absolutely needs reform, and I think most people can agree with that.

But that said, blanket bans on immigration by the white supremacists and nationalists currently running our government and deciding our immigration are probably not designed to help America or innovation either.

The whole H1-B ban feels like something the admin could throw to their supporters without making too much noise in the press, because it affects very few voters and we have more pressing economic problems than the tech labor shortage.

Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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My news and social media feeds are almost universally negative about this. Who is happy about H1B Visa suspension? Who was advocating for it?

Everyone I know, including me? There is _no_ shortage of workers for virtually any industry. There is a shortage of people willing to work for submarket rates.

Exactly. Whenever business leaders moan about 'shortages', they say "We can't find Americans to do the job" when they mean "We can't find Americans to do the job at the shitty wage we want to pay"

Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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post #16

The largest H1-B visa sponsors are Cognizant, Tata, Wipro, Infosys, and Deloitte. None of those scream "innovation" to me. The system absolutely needs reform, and I think most people can agree with that. But that said, blanket bans on immigration by the white supremacists and nationalists currently running our government and deciding our immigration are probably not designed to help America or innovation either. The…

I wasn't aware that our government was currently being run by white supremacists. Do you have a source?

Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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Patrick Collison tweeted a powerful graph that quantifies this: https://twitter.com/patrickc/status/1275288642022289410

How is that quantifying impact on the U.S. innovation? It shows people being moved out of a bunch of countries and to another but I see no demonstration of that positive impact.

The graph is not just people, but specifically inventors.

The US has a giant net influx of inventors (some of whom arrive on a H1B), which presumably creates wealth, jobs, etc.

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