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Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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Perhaps the current situation is completely okay? Some people sacrifice their leisure to work for something they care about. These tend to be men because of heightened competition. Who are you to dictate their life to satisfy your statistical egalitarianism? This is just bullying.

The sacrifice way more than just leisure. If this was about leisure, there would be no discussion.

The point stands. Who are you to dictate what is and is not ok for others to sacrifice in order to get what they want? Just because their values don't align with yours doesn't make them wrong.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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I was following the time honored HN tradition of posting one line about the article and then taking up a tangent. That might be a practice to do away with. But to be literal, I asked because I wanted to talk about it and not just read about. However that may have been a mistake on my part; this article, found through my search engine, was pretty good: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/aug/08/why-are... Po…

> I was following the time honored HN tradition of posting one line about the article and then taking up a tangent. Please don't.

You're right; it's bad practice. Sometimes I just want to talk tech and it's easier for me to talk about a tangent that I undersand than to stay on-topic when I don't have any knowledge, but that's a bad habit when it comes to a post on someone's article. I'll eliminate this behavior.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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We had gender roles because it was the most effective way to survive and raise a family. The cost was that women were assigned rather basic responsibilities. Because tech and services have evolved families can outsource some of the chors done by women in the past like cooking, cleaning. In the case of making babies the the technology is still in development but we will get there. Artificial wombs will be an option in…

Thank you for stating this as clearly as you did. I'll probably get downvoted for comment, but my reaction to reading this essay was to be angry with Tracy. She repeatedly put herself in situations where she had to choose between family and company (or at least thought she did), and for what? Regardless of gender, if you want to have a successful family and you want to have a successful high-growth startup, you're going to have a bad time.

This idea that rockstar CEOs can magically have everything needs to die - if you pick that path it comes with sacrifices that you need to recognize up front. Either you're going to be a bad parent/spouse (applies to most of the male CEOs I know) or you're going to be a leader who doesn't inspire confidence in employees (let alone co-founders, from personal experience). If you want a well-balanced life, consider other options like a lifestyle business or the corporate ladder.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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This is much more of a thing in the United States than elsewhere in the world.

Definitely. Most of Sub-Saharan Africa as well doesn't have an issue with breastfeeding at all. The strange thing for me in the US is that the left doesn't seem bothered by it. They are usually all up to point out arbitrary social constructs but this isn't an issue for them? Am I missing something?

Breastfeeding has two major single-issue advocacy groups. The first is La Leche League, founded in Chicago in 1956. It has no particular political stance. The second is Breastfeeding USA, founded in 2010. It has a very slightly liberal stance.

My mother was an LLL Leader for 35 years, and is a founding member of Breastfeeding USA.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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post #249

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This has been discussed once or twice... What did your search engine tell you?

I was following the time honored HN tradition of posting one line about the article and then taking up a tangent. That might be a practice to do away with. But to be literal, I asked because I wanted to talk about it and not just read about. However that may have been a mistake on my part; this article, found through my search engine, was pretty good: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/aug/08/why-are... Po…

> I was following the time honored HN tradition of posting one line about the article and then taking up a tangent.

I don't have too much of a problem with that, it's asking a question you should research first.

It's not that I don't want to talk about it either, I just don't want to explain the basics every time. I'm also not an expert on the issue, many people have much more to say on the matter.

If I could add something to what you've pointed out, I'd divide the reasons into two categories:

1. Why women don't go into IT

2. Why women leave - and boy do they: "Women are more than twice as likely to quit the tech industry as men (41% vs 17%)" per https://medium.com/tech-diversity-files/the-real-reason-wome...

The second one worries me a lot more. We are talking about women who chose IT, who are trained, who made it. We are talking about a market where jobs and opportunities abound, where you can work from home, move anywhere you want. And yet so many women find this industry unbearable.

From personal experience, I can't contribute much to point 2, as the temptation of leaving is foreign to me, nor do I know women who left. Maybe it's a cultural thing - I live in Europe and while brogrammers exist here, I have no problem finding good and respectful teams. I have worked for startups without staying late and yet got promoted to team leader. I have encountered sexism, but I also have been treated better because of my gender.

I have struggled with getting into IT, and my biggest obstacle was my lack of self-confidence. This is by no means reserved to girls, but we do hear the "girls suck at math", we see boys dominating math contests or math-oriented high schools, and it leaves a mark. Here's another good article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-science-success/... The takeaway is that since girls are praised for results and boys for effort, "bright girls believe that their abilities are innate and unchangeable, while bright boys believe that they can develop ability through effort and practice", a vicious circle.

Still personal, but not limited to me: neurodiversity. Girls are far more often undiagnozed for ADHD and autism. We cause less trouble, we get less understanding for not behaving accordingly to society's norms. Life without diagnosis was one without help and resources to deal with my symptoms. Instead, I was told my problems were my character flaws, which left little of my self-esteem. When you don't believe you can do it, you don't try yet another solution, you don't search yet another query, but you buy into the narratives mentioned above: your gender leaves you at a disadvantage and always will, you got As because you were gifted but this is how far your talents go, clearly, you're not made for this.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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I wish there were a clear bad guy here, but most of the hardship seems to have been caused by more diffuse social pressures. What could we have done as an industry to improve the author's experience? Maybe just having more female founders around in general (by removing any barriers) would make some of these circumstances more commonplace.

> I wish there were a clear bad guy here, Clearly this is the bad guy: "one of our own VC's caller her a "little girl" while doing a fireside chat with her at PlanGrid" Bonus bad guys from the comments: "...potential investors take female founders out for dinner, ostensibly to talk over the potential investment but in reality as an attempt to sleep with them. ..."

Just to be clear, I did not mean to imply in any way that bad actors do not exist, only that the article didn't focus on any.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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post #151

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It is legally actionable but it is unfortunately very difficult to actually prosecute. Lawyers are not really incentivized to take on discrimination cases as they are generally difficult to prove and don't pay out well. As an aside, during my very first job as a junior (female, 21) engineer, an executive told me, unprompted, that I would end my career by the age of 30 to focus on having children. Ironically enough, h…

Silicon Valley doesn’t really like people with family obligations. In interviews in my 30s, I found myself hiding the fact that I had children. Once a recruiter, trying to lure me away from a stable company for a startup, told me that I better take my risks while I still could, before I had children (I had 2). I grew up in SF and I’m pushing 50. The population of children in SF has dropped to a little more that half…

I completely agree; I have somewhat of a conspiracy theory that CEOs/executives in tech are to some extent actively preventing us from starting families to increase our productivity. Perhaps it’s a stress to say it’s active, but I do think that the ruling executive class has the most to benefit from young people failing to have non-work related social lives. The diversity problem here in tech is directly related to this —- honestly, if we hired more women, more young men would be meeting women. My husband and I met at work, so while I complain in my previous post of inappropriate behavior from co-workers, I’d like to say that there are completely appropriate ways to approach and date a co-worker. And it’s really great to be married to someone for whom an understanding of our work lives is a given.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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Why is it that everyone wants to be manipulated. "Shooting the messenger" may looks like it hurts the other guy more but I've seen it screw up entire reporting hierarchies. By the time things go off the rails nobody higher than a level 1 manager has any damn clue what really happened, although they think they do based on the misinformation they've been fed.

Keynesian beauty contest? A VC may personally appreciate a member of his portfolio showing weakness, but also assume that his peers won't.

I've had bosses who loved hearing bad news. And bosses who were great about bad news as long as they were the first to hear about it.

Nobody likes to get called out in a meeting about a problem they are responsible for but know nothing about. That's probably the weakness thing again.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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We had gender roles because it was the most effective way to survive and raise a family. The cost was that women were assigned rather basic responsibilities. Because tech and services have evolved families can outsource some of the chors done by women in the past like cooking, cleaning. In the case of making babies the the technology is still in development but we will get there. Artificial wombs will be an option in…

> But few women when given the choice would choose to do what she did. Feeding a baby in the car while doing research seems far from desirable for most women I presume. Then the question is why she did it? I'd say the question is why men do it. In The Top Five Regrets of the Dying, all men say "I wish I hadn't worked so hard". (That's the second after "I wish I'd had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the…

For men it's not a choice.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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"Women have different lived experiences than men, and not acknowledging this would be a disservice to humanity."

Then later...

"The tech industry has a long way to go toward gender equality in the workplace. ... I want to see a world where men and women, who make up equal halves of humanity, also make up equal halves of leadership."

So she is doing a disservice to humanity by her logic.

She chose to have a child. She is not holding herself accountable for that decision. Men don't worry about this decision, and therefore have more of an obligation to take care of women.

Go on, continue thinking you can compete with men, who don't have this biological requirement. You will continue to lose, unless you forfeit the privilege of bearing a child, in which case you just became like a man.

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