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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year
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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year
#662we need to get rid of the executive order or at least severely limit its scope. both Obama and Trump have abused it -- presidents should not be able to hand down sweeping regulatory change like this at the drop of a hat without going through the legislature.
By abuse do you mean use? If not, O admitted he was doing something unconstutional with it, numerious times. Which T example are you thinking of?
Many laws are written to deligate rule making authority to the executive branch, clearly the president has ultimate authority there. Perhaps you want the legslative branch to write more specific language?
Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year
#663we need to get rid of the executive order or at least severely limit its scope. both Obama and Trump have abused it -- presidents should not be able to hand down sweeping regulatory change like this at the drop of a hat without going through the legislature.
By abuse do you mean use? If not, O admitted he was doing something unconstutional with it, numerious times. Which T example are you thinking of? Many laws are written to deligate rule making authority to the executive branch, clearly the president has ultimate authority there. Perhaps you want the legslative branch to write more specific language?
The constitution is not the end all be all —- I’m saying that the use of executive orders to accomplish partisan policy objectives is overreach by the executive branch and should be curtailed. I don’t care much if it’s the legislative or judicial branch that does it.
Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year
#664Earlier quoted context omitted.
By abuse do you mean use? If not, O admitted he was doing something unconstutional with it, numerious times. Which T example are you thinking of? Many laws are written to deligate rule making authority to the executive branch, clearly the president has ultimate authority there. Perhaps you want the legslative branch to write more specific language?
The constitution is not the end all be all —- I’m saying that the use of executive orders to accomplish partisan policy objectives is overreach by the executive branch and should be curtailed. I don’t care much if it’s the legislative or judicial branch that does it.
I cant understand your comment unless you define partisan.
If the legslative branch deligates the rule making to the executive branch, then take it up with the legslative branch... right? Blaiming the executive branch seems pointless. Am I missing something?
The Constitution is the law of the land. Are you referring to the Magna Carta?
Humans have inalienable rights, can we agree?
I believe people have the inaleinable right to "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"... someone could call that a partisan policy objective.
Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year
#665Earlier quoted context omitted.
The constitution is not the end all be all —- I’m saying that the use of executive orders to accomplish partisan policy objectives is overreach by the executive branch and should be curtailed. I don’t care much if it’s the legislative or judicial branch that does it.
I cant understand your comment unless you define partisan. If the legslative branch deligates the rule making to the executive branch, then take it up with the legslative branch... right? Blaiming the executive branch seems pointless. Am I missing something? The Constitution is the law of the land. Are you referring to the Magna Carta? Humans have inalienable rights, can we agree? I believe people have the inaleinabl…
Rights protected by the constitution are definitely not partisan. I don’t agree with some of the rhetoric in this oped wrt COVID, but I do like the case it lays out: https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/5/executive-orde...
Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year
#666Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not like the country is paying for said education. And if they were, it's not like the money is "lost" in any way, as it goes back into local businesses which "stimulates" the economy and creates local jobs. I personally wouldn't use this argument.
If by a country we mean states, college is at least partially publicly funded in the US and outside generally. If by a country we mean expenditures by the citizenry, definitely true that college is an investment of time and money by the students. A doctor leaves college maybe with 500k dollars in debt in the US, doctors in most other countries graduate with little or no debt at all: you could import thousands if not…
Foreign students typically pay the "state" part of the support as well. For PhD students, well, all grad students are cheap high skill labor, so the uni is always the big beneficiary.
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#667Earlier quoted context omitted.
This doesn't address GPs question about why, if local talent is plentiful, companies are willing to spend a lot of money and jump through several hoops to pay top dollar to immigrants when they could pay the same to a local and not have to spend extra money and effort.
Because, in essence, they get servitude from far more of those foreign hires than they do from the locals who can confidently exercise their rights.
This is a blatantly rude and insulting thing to say. (It's kind of sad how these xenophobic comments are common here.)
> they get servitude
Never has this been true about me, or the people I know. I've left jobs I disliked, and taken up new jobs. Also, in case you were unaware: yes, we can change jobs. And, yes, there's paperwork to be filed to do so, but the majority of tech companies are willing to do it.
The solution to even a hypothetical "servitude" situation would be stop issuing such restrictive covenant visas, and instead give people green cards / permanent residency (like Canada does). However, people who despise immigrants will stop at the former, and vehemently oppose the latter.
> foreign hires
Also, most of these people aren't "foreign hires" as you say. They're often people who've studied here, are often people who've been in the US for over decade (like myself). The fact that the US makes it nearly impossible to get green cards (and therefore citizenship) is what forces people to be on visa for a long time (and sometimes even forever). If you have the time, please take a look at the comments I link to in here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23612304
Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year
#668Earlier quoted context omitted.
This doesn't address GPs question about why, if local talent is plentiful, companies are willing to spend a lot of money and jump through several hoops to pay top dollar to immigrants when they could pay the same to a local and not have to spend extra money and effort.
The locals are not captive workers and will do anti-business things like starting a family.
This is an extremely rude, blatantly false, offensive, degrading, and insulting comment to make about the 1 million+ high-skilled workers in the US. Plenty of people own homes, start families, etc. But, I'm not too disturbed/bothered anymore -- as I've come to expect these sort of low-effort low-quality dishonest, hateful/insulting comments due to xenophobia.
Here are comments from just one user on HN (who was sadly banned), but who is/was on the H-1B, who owns a $1.15 home, has an American kid, has lived in the US for 17 years, and makes $650K a year:
1) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20473537
2) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19993373
3) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19944062
4) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19525820
5) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19222618
The laws of U.S. that were written by Congress, make it practically impossible for India-born to ever become citizens or even permanent residents through the EB2 or EB routes. This is large topic, I've covered in some of my previous comments like: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19857687 (short comment) or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19857878 (long comment).
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I left my country to escape a totalitarian regime. I think just because you are born in a place doesn't mean you have the responsibility to completely sacrifice your life. Humans collectively have an obligation to help lift poor countries out of poverty. The question is are you against immigration because you genuinely care about the poverty in my country?
Why do humans collectively have an obligation to lift poor countries out of poverty?
Because the opposite is to go and exploit them as it happened for most of the human history and is still happening here and there. Some of those country are drawn in poverty as the result.
Are you already tired of "helping" others? Don't forget that we aren't trying to cooperate for a very long time as it may seem to be. We aren't still great at doing it either.
What may seem to be broken to you isn't wrong in essence. We should help each other. We should support each other. And less poverty is better for all of us. Maybe we should just do it differently. Perhaps the way we are doing it isn't good and we should find a better way to do it.
Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year
#670There are solutions to the problems we discuss these days. We have experts and researchers who are dedicated to find better solutions.
But sadly, Politics are focused to win the election and next elections. Populism and non-populism, left and right, social-networks and media, we all made it so hard for experts and scientist to be heard and to be trusted. We are so loud that we are only hearing ourselves. We can talk non-sense with insufficient knowledge and call it open discussion.