Live data from Hacker News

What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

developer.apple.com

311–320 of 379 posts

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#311
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every new release of OS X has been an increasing disappointment for years now. Security issues, bugs, incompatibilities. It's almost as if they've been actively devesting in OS X. At least we now understand why. Mac's are no longer machines fit for professional development. It's a damn shame, but it's true in my mind.

They just switched Macs to an entirely new architecture. I think they probably put more effort into macOS than iOS this year.

That's not my point. This new OS version is not OS X.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#312
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree, I don't think they're anywhere near locking down to the iOS level. Could you explain some of these incremental lock downs? I honestly can't think of any that are genuine restrictions, but that might just be because I don't encounter them with what I do.

Every new release of OS X has been an increasing disappointment for years now. Security issues, bugs, incompatibilities. It's almost as if they've been actively devesting in OS X. At least we now understand why. Mac's are no longer machines fit for professional development. It's a damn shame, but it's true in my mind.

To the downvoters .. hope that koolaid tastes good!

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#313
post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

Well, I'm usually the person to quickly point out that HN is very conservative, and advocate the modern UI/tech stack that HN thinks is too flat or too bloated, etc... But as a long time macOS user, I can't say that the UI is good. If I can fix one thing from the new UI, I think it should have borders or at least a different background color, like pre-iOS 13 with button shapes. The current iOS buttons (and the new ma…

macOS buttons do give you cues…when you hover on them :/

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#314
post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They just switched Macs to an entirely new architecture. I think they probably put more effort into macOS than iOS this year.

That's not my point. This new OS version is not OS X.

Neither was the last one!

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't make sense. What is in / that is dangerous? Finder hides all of /etc and /bin and /usr for the "protection" of normal users, just like the default view for Windows Explorer under C:\Windows\System. But you can still change the contents on Windows, or see the directories in Terminal on macOS. Should they hide those directories when you use Terminal too? After all, /etc is important. Your reasoning would a…

> That doesn't make sense. What is in / that is dangerous? There have been examples of (un)installer scripts removing substantial parts of your system, steam for example. Linux in this case https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671 , but not generally unthinkable on MacOS. It's generally good if the system puts up barriers to prevent such occurrences. You're entirely welcome to disable these protec…

It seems to be solving a problem that doesn't exist, as if edge cases were the reason to apply blanket restrictions.

It's like banning knives because there's been a few stabbings. It removes the general utility due to misuse by a few.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#316
post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

strong disagree. MacOS and iPadOS will take cues from each other, but they will remain fundamentally different. MacOS for the old-timey folks who want root access and to be able to browse the file system, iPadOS for people who like having all for that abstracted away from them a-la iOS. neither is right or wrong, just caters to different kinds of people who prefer different ways of working.

IMO you vastly overestimate the care Apple has for "old-timey folks who want root access." They will remove your usecase in due time, when they decide to merge the two(MacOS and iPadOS).

Someone has to write the OS…

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cory Doctorow talked about these worries quite eloquently back in his 2011 keynote to the Chaos Computer Congress, titled "The Coming War on General Purpose Computation". https://boingboing.net/2011/12/27/the-coming-war-on-general-...

I mean, that was nearly a decade ago and we're still doing just fine for general purpose computation. At what point do we stop saying "he was so prescient, look we're almost there," and just admit things haven't turned out as badly as people feared? DRM has turned out be more of a nuisance than an apocalypse, and general purpose computing is at least as available today as it was in 2011. In some ways it is even easie…

Depending on measures taken a small kitchen fire can be a minor annoyance or burn up the family home and the family dog with it. I don't think there is any doubt that there have been elements that had there been no negative reaction would have pushed for much more oem control of user machines nor is there any doubt we are in fact moving progressively towards more locked down machines.

Finding parties that would benefit is a trivial exercise one has only to look towards app store revenue, Intels idea of selling "upgrades" to your cpu via software unlocks, or Verizons ability to rent you access to your gps for $10 a month.

Others have been pouring water on a fire that would have already filled your kitchen with smoke by now otherwise and you have merely failed to attend to this fact.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#318
post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, except it is NOT a "maximize" button and never was. macOS just doesn't do maximized apps the way Windows and some Linux DEs do.

Before Yosemite the green button worked like a maximize button, and you had a separate fullscreen button on the other side. Now you need to ⌥-click the green button to maximize.

No, that's not what it does on macOS. It simply makes the window larger and has done that ever since it was introduced, I believe. (I think for many document-based apps this just means to make the window taller, for example.)

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#319
post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about the non-modifiable hidden system partition? Inability to create directories under / That alone has stopped me moving my Macs to the latest OS after testing.

man synthetic.conf: > synthetic.conf describes virtual symbolic links and empty directories to be created at the root mount point.

That doesn't actually create real directories; it's just symbolic links. For certain use cases (nix) this isn't enough.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

#320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha, very good spot! Seems like another fairly strong hint (along with the padding and the iOS app support) that touch screen Macs are coming

Though someone on twitter pointed out that they believe “thumb” refers to the element that slides along the slider and it was always referred to as this, heh

Another usage of "thumb": https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/::-webkit-s...
Post reply on HN