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Re: I Am Deleting the Blog

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I stopped trusting reporters about 35 years ago, when I personally witnessed an occurrence, where a reporter was at the scene, and later read what he had written about it in the newspaper. It had practically nothing to do with what really happened, but was written in a way that most of their readers would most likely expect and endorse. I was still very young then, but it opened my eyes, and from then on, I mostly st…

> "I don't trust anything they write without checking the facts." I am not sure you are aware but your statement makes no sense whatsoever. How do you "check the facts" if you don't trust professional journalists? What sources do you use for those facts, say on the outcome of a political meeting, the current best advice on how to avoid catching covid, the economic situation or impact of new legislation on a specific…

Gell-Mann amnesia effect:

""" Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect works as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward-reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story-and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read with renewed interest as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about far-off Palestine than it was about the story you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

- Michael Crichton, Why Speculate (26 April 2002) """

This isn’t to say that all journalists are “bad apples”, but as the full aphorism says, “A few bad apples spoils the whole barrel”.

Re: I Am Deleting the Blog

#313

Seeing all this negative press about NYT (their website's weird trackers) and spotting increasingly more propaganda articles in their editorial section in the recent past, I am now going to stop my NYT subscription. The last thing they deserve is my money.

Same here, I'm trying to cancel now and they actually don't have a one click to stop the subscription.

Re: I Am Deleting the Blog

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post #264

Anyone saying that it would be a non-issue because people could find out the information is they looked hard enough obviously haven't personally or had their friends/family subject to the Times' entirely unaccountable abuse of power and absence of ethics. There is a big difference between something being buried where people with the interest and competence could go find it and it being put up in lights. Particularly…

"people could find out the information is they looked hard enough" is also ridiculous because, yeah, that's trivially true - the journalist already found the information.

Not entirely, -- e.g. in some cases the information might only be available by breaching confidentiality.

But the fact that it was technically openly available to some degree doesn't change the fact that the people most likely to cause harm with it often lack the mental facilities to actually do the work to dig it up.

The same lack of judgement that makes someone more likely to engage in harassment or violence often also makes them less skilful researchers than a blinking NYT reporter.

Maybe a way I'd express your sentiment instead: If it didn't matter because the information was already public then why write the article in the first place? -- after all, anyone else could also learn these things so no one needs the article. The answer is because articles do matter and by that same token we can't disregard the ethical considerations regarding their content, even if it's entirely derived from open sources.

The theoretical open availability of the information also doesn't change the fact that many other venues (e.g. sites like Reddit and Wikipedia) will protect your personal information but not if the NYT has printed it with neon blinkers.

Re: I Am Deleting the Blog

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I stopped trusting reporters when I was 14. Did some cool CS shit that got national press - reporters wrote ridiculous made up things in articles all over. Most common was putting words in my mouth, less common was using my words without attribution.

That's about when I started reading multiple sources to figure out wtf happened anywhere.

It's super prevalent. If a reporter wants to chat, tell them to fuck off.

Re: I Am Deleting the Blog

#316

I’ve seen a lot of criticism for the NYT as of late, and, sadly, it’s almost all been warranted upon inspection. I’m not sure if it’s a case of the top dog getting all the scrutiny, but it’s crazy to me how a company with so many good journalists can seem to have so many bad. Much criticism is not even new (Manufactured Consent, Judith Miller).

I still vividly remember the shit they pulled before the Iraq war. In large part because I happened to talk to a former NYT reporter (in a Parisian café of all places) who spent an hour detailing how disgusted he was by them.

So it's no exacting hot new news, sadly.

Re: I Am Deleting the Blog

#317

I stopped trusting reporters about 35 years ago, when I personally witnessed an occurrence, where a reporter was at the scene, and later read what he had written about it in the newspaper. It had practically nothing to do with what really happened, but was written in a way that most of their readers would most likely expect and endorse. I was still very young then, but it opened my eyes, and from then on, I mostly st…

I woke up to the fact that most newspapers are like that in the last 2-3 years. That resulted in me eliminating one publication after the other.

Today only one has remained, the Neue Zürcher Zeitung, a german-language publication from Switzerland. Lets see how long it holds up.

Re: I Am Deleting the Blog

#318

I clicked on this expecting it to be Scott Alexander blogging about somebody else getting doxxed. I flipped like a boat when I realized what I was reading. Holy shit! I was just in SSC's Open Thread a few hours ago opening comment permalinks in tabs to respond to them. That NYT writer should be fired. I hope Scott recovers soon. SSC is my favorite place on the Web.

No idea who Scott is or what his blog was about but regardless it's fucked he's in this situation because of an unapologetic tabloid.

Re: I Am Deleting the Blog

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post #85

Amateur hour over at NYT. What happened to the whole protect your source journalism ethos there?

But he isn't a source - he's the subject of the story. Finding out the identity of a pseudonymous public figure used to be considered good old-fashioned journalistic sleuthing rather than "doxxing".
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