this reminds me racist dogs in Goa (India) been staying on beach, dogs very friendly towards me (your Aryan white), forming even circle around me when I sat down on beach in early morning, but God forbid (dark) looking local tried to go on beach, they scared him away. I noticed this actually in some other tourist places as well, dogs being friendly to tourists while aggressive with locals but if it makes anyone feel…
Crows’ ability to discriminate between languages
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I have to disagree. I see the opposite problem. We think too highly of human intelligence, we should be more humble. Our most important source of intelligence is culture. We copy what we see others doing and that make us think that we are smart. It's the equivalent to see a Mathematical proof and think that we could also have done it. Most of our behaviour is based on instinct. That is why it's so hard to lose weight…
> Most of our behaviour is based on instinct. That is why it's so hard to lose weight Obesity is largely a function of culture.
Yes, industrialization of food is a function of culture. It's a tough one to fight against though, because marketing is also a culture generator; it needs constant oppositional effort.
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#33this reminds me racist dogs in Goa (India) been staying on beach, dogs very friendly towards me (your Aryan white), forming even circle around me when I sat down on beach in early morning, but God forbid (dark) looking local tried to go on beach, they scared him away. I noticed this actually in some other tourist places as well, dogs being friendly to tourists while aggressive with locals but if it makes anyone feel…
How can a dog be racist? It has no prejudice and acts solely on previous experience.
Pre-judging a novel scenario from biased information or processes is a functional definition of prejudice.
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How can a dog be racist? It has no prejudice and acts solely on previous experience.
Incorrect or unfair generalization from previous experience is prejudice. Pre-judging a novel scenario from biased information or processes is a functional definition of prejudice.
I guess the dogs in Goa have similar experiences. They mostly associate tourists with giving them food and other positive experiences, but have maybe bad experiences from a few locals that have chased them away from their property etc. The individuals in the pack may not even have experienced anything bad, but have learned from the behaviour of other dogs that they should be careful
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#35Between the zoonotic origins of covid (and just epidemiology generally) and the book “are we smart enough to know how smart animals are” by Franz de Waal I’m really resetting my understanding of life. Animals are just way way smarter than we give them credit for - not the least because of eons of telling ourselves we’re the living beings and they’re the automatons (seriously, go read how Descartes wrote about them).…
I have to disagree. I see the opposite problem. We think too highly of human intelligence, we should be more humble. Our most important source of intelligence is culture. We copy what we see others doing and that make us think that we are smart. It's the equivalent to see a Mathematical proof and think that we could also have done it. Most of our behaviour is based on instinct. That is why it's so hard to lose weight…
Intelligence is something you are born with, just like height or skin color.
I also do not understand who you refer to when you say "we." Well, I have a pretty good idea, but as opposed to "you," I prefer not to do mindless generalizations.
Re: Crows’ ability to discriminate between languages
#36Could be that they are simply responding to different ways of pronouncing vowels? This is something most ESL speakers have problems with, for example. I.e. the "o" sound in "love" is somewhere between the Russian "o" and "a", and "a" sound in "land" is somewhere between the Russian "a" and "э". English speakers are attuned to such minute differences. Russian speakers are not, which is why if you ask them to pronounce…
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#38Between the zoonotic origins of covid (and just epidemiology generally) and the book “are we smart enough to know how smart animals are” by Franz de Waal I’m really resetting my understanding of life. Animals are just way way smarter than we give them credit for - not the least because of eons of telling ourselves we’re the living beings and they’re the automatons (seriously, go read how Descartes wrote about them).…
Intelligence was never the categorical differentiator between humans and animals. Firstly, because it is a difference in degree, not a difference in kind. Some have said that "culture" is what makes us different, but I'm not convinced of that either - for me, highly sociable animals that travel in herds always appeared to have a culture of sorts. Again, a difference in degree, not in kind.
I tend to agree with the Russian philosophers that argue that the categorical differentiator between humans and animals is "morality". Animals are fundamentally amoral, i.e. nothing they do is "evil". We do not speak of incest, rape or murder among bonobo chimps, for example, because such judgements cannot apply to their actions (although this behaviour is rampant in nature). Moral judgements cannot apply to animals precisely because they have no transcendental purpose in any of their actions, i.e. everything they do is out instinct and survival purposes. Whereas humans frequently act out of a transcendental purpose, such as fighting for a greater cause such as equality for all, creating and worshipping a conception of God, or practicing philosophy. None of these actions have a survival motive (some are actually detrimental to our individual survival). Neither are these actions necessarily instinctual, as humans are certainly capable or creating new transcendental purposes that didn't exist before - and THAT is what makes us human.
Re: Crows’ ability to discriminate between languages
#39this reminds me racist dogs in Goa (India) been staying on beach, dogs very friendly towards me (your Aryan white), forming even circle around me when I sat down on beach in early morning, but God forbid (dark) looking local tried to go on beach, they scared him away. I noticed this actually in some other tourist places as well, dogs being friendly to tourists while aggressive with locals but if it makes anyone feel…
How can a dog be racist? It has no prejudice and acts solely on previous experience.
For example, even if you were robbed 9 straight times on a particular street by a particular "type" of person (whatever that means)...you should not expect the 10th time to go the same. Similarly if a positive experience happens you can't expect the 10th to go the same either.
It's always been very difficult to reconcile with "situational awareness" for me...because the two are apparently mutually exclusive. Perhaps someone smarter than me (AKA everyone reading this) can help here.
Re: Crows’ ability to discriminate between languages
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Incorrect or unfair generalization from previous experience is prejudice. Pre-judging a novel scenario from biased information or processes is a functional definition of prejudice.
I knew a dog (German Shepard) that was scared by another dog of a different breed (flat coated retriever) when she was young. The rest of her life she was really careful around dogs of the attacker's colour, and aggressive against dogs of the breed as the "bad" dog. If a dog was both the same colour and breed you had to hold the leash tight... I guess the dogs in Goa have similar experiences. They mostly associate to…